Re: My 66000 and High word facility

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Sujet : Re: My 66000 and High word facility
De : ggtgp (at) *nospam* yahoo.com (Brett)
Groupes : comp.arch
Date : 11. Aug 2024, 02:46:09
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MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 18:17:54 +0000, Brett wrote:
 
 
My 66000 should look into the z/architecture High Word Facility as that
would give you another 65% more registers or so. You have the opcode
space and it is Another nice boost for some customers.
 
The article posted by Andy Glew was luke-warm at best. Now, while
IBM has figured out that 16 GPRs is insufficient, there is scant
data that 32 are insufficient {witness how few RISCs went with
bigger files}
 
Since My 66000 is a 64-bit architecture with a modicum of support for
8-bit, 16-bit, and 32-bit stuff; and since 32-truely GPRs seems to be
enough (compiler output), I think I will pass.
 
Due to significant access to constants, My 66000 with only 32-actual
registers performs as well as RISC-V does with 32I+32F in most codes,
so there does not seem to be an insufficient number of registers. I
even have ASM examples where RISC-V runs out of registers where My
66000 does not !! Not wasting register to hold onto big immediates,
big displacements, or big addresses goes a long way to thinning out
the register count necessities.
 
In My 66000 one can utilize all 32 registers, with 0 reserved for
{linking, splicing, GOT access,...} these "effective constants"
become actual constants meaning one does not have to consume a
register to have access through that constant address value.

These are excellent points and need to be in your marketing information.

Compilers love unrolling loops because it saves an instruction, which for a
short loop could mean 10% faster. Point out your code has more unrolls and
performance.

I don’t know if you are in the 14 gate delay market that makes high
registers a fail. Can’t find Andy Glew’s article on z/arch, but that arch
has limited opcode space that imposes constraints, you don’t.

High registers is mostly marketing vapor ware extension for you, see if
anyone cares and put them on a list for when a market for that extension
pops up.

The lack of CPU’s with 64 registers is what makes for a market, that 4%
that could benefit have no options to pick from. You would be happy to have
control of a market that big. Point customers at a compiler configured for
64 registers and say that with high registers and inline constants that is
what they could expect for code generation.

If there is demand for high registers you will probably just spin a CPU
arch with more registers, but that will never happen if you never ask. This
is the definition of vapor ware, a free market survey. You can even add
more registers as an incompatible extension, if fact you should.

IBM supports Linux, so the compiler support should exist. X86 solved the
aliasing issue with finer tracking.
 
Neither of which would worry me.
 
 
Thanks,
Brett
 




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10 Aug 24 * My 66000 and High word facility93Brett
10 Aug 24 +* Re: My 66000 and High word facility91MitchAlsup1
11 Aug 24 i`* Re: My 66000 and High word facility90Brett
11 Aug 24 i +- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1Thomas Koenig
11 Aug 24 i +* Re: My 66000 and High word facility60Anton Ertl
11 Aug 24 i i+* Re: My 66000 and High word facility20Brett
12 Aug 24 i ii`* Re: My 66000 and High word facility19Anton Ertl
12 Aug 24 i ii +* Re: My 66000 and High word facility17MitchAlsup1
12 Aug 24 i ii i`* Re: My 66000 and High word facility16BGB
12 Aug 24 i ii i `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility15MitchAlsup1
12 Aug 24 i ii i  `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility14BGB
13 Aug 24 i ii i   `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility13MitchAlsup1
13 Aug 24 i ii i    `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility12BGB
13 Aug 24 i ii i     `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility11MitchAlsup1
13 Aug 24 i ii i      `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility10BGB
13 Aug 24 i ii i       `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility9MitchAlsup1
13 Aug 24 i ii i        +* Re: My 66000 and High word facility5Thomas Koenig
13 Aug 24 i ii i        i+* Re: My 66000 and High word facility3MitchAlsup1
14 Aug 24 i ii i        ii`* Re: My 66000 and High word facility2Thomas Koenig
14 Aug 24 i ii i        ii `- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1MitchAlsup1
14 Aug 24 i ii i        i`- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1BGB
14 Aug 24 i ii i        `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility3BGB
15 Aug 24 i ii i         `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility2MitchAlsup1
15 Aug 24 i ii i          `- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1BGB
15 Aug 24 i ii `- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1MitchAlsup1
11 Aug 24 i i+- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1Niklas Holsti
11 Aug 24 i i+* Re: My 66000 and High word facility30BGB
12 Aug 24 i ii`* Re: My 66000 and High word facility29Brett
12 Aug 24 i ii +- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1Terje Mathisen
15 Aug 24 i ii +* Re: My 66000 and High word facility25MitchAlsup1
15 Aug 24 i ii i`* Re: My 66000 and High word facility24Brett
15 Aug 24 i ii i `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility23Brett
15 Aug 24 i ii i  `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility22Stephen Fuld
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16 Aug 24 i ii i    `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility19MitchAlsup1
17 Aug 24 i ii i     `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility18Brett
17 Aug 24 i ii i      +* Re: My 66000 and High word facility8Thomas Koenig
17 Aug 24 i ii i      i`* Re: My 66000 and High word facility7Brett
18 Aug 24 i ii i      i +* Re: My 66000 and High word facility5Thomas Koenig
18 Aug 24 i ii i      i i`* Re: My 66000 and High word facility4MitchAlsup1
18 Aug 24 i ii i      i i +- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1Brett
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19 Aug 24 i ii i      i i  `- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1BGB
19 Aug 24 i ii i      i `- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1BGB
17 Aug 24 i ii i      `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility9MitchAlsup1
17 Aug 24 i ii i       `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility8Brett
18 Aug 24 i ii i        +* Re: My 66000 and High word facility2MitchAlsup1
18 Aug 24 i ii i        i`- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1Brett
19 Aug 24 i ii i        `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility5Stefan Monnier
19 Aug 24 i ii i         +- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1BGB
19 Aug 24 i ii i         `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility3MitchAlsup1
19 Aug 24 i ii i          +- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1Thomas Koenig
20 Aug 24 i ii i          `- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1Michael S
20 Aug 24 i ii `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility2Stefan Monnier
21 Aug 24 i ii  `- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1BGB
15 Aug 24 i i`* Re: My 66000 and High word facility8MitchAlsup1
15 Aug 24 i i +* Re: My 66000 and High word facility3Anton Ertl
15 Aug 24 i i i`* Re: My 66000 and High word facility2Michael S
15 Aug 24 i i i `- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1MitchAlsup1
15 Aug 24 i i `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility4Michael S
15 Aug 24 i i  `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility3Stephen Fuld
15 Aug 24 i i   `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility2Michael S
15 Aug 24 i i    `- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1MitchAlsup1
19 Aug 24 i `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility28MitchAlsup1
19 Aug 24 i  `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility27Brett
19 Aug 24 i   `* Re: My 66000 and High word facility26MitchAlsup1
20 Aug 24 i    +* Re: My 66000 and High word facility3Brett
20 Aug 24 i    i`* Re: My 66000 and High word facility2MitchAlsup1
20 Aug 24 i    i `- Re: My 66000 and High word facility1Brett
20 Aug 24 i    `* number of registers (was: My 66000 and High word facility)22Anton Ertl
20 Aug 24 i     `* Re: number of registers21MitchAlsup1
20 Aug 24 i      +* Re: number of registers13Michael S
20 Aug 24 i      i`* Re: number of registers12MitchAlsup1
21 Aug 24 i      i +* Re: number of registers6Brett
21 Aug 24 i      i i+* Re: number of registers4MitchAlsup1
21 Aug 24 i      i ii+* Re: number of registers2Brett
23 Aug 24 i      i iii`- Re: number of registers1Brett
22 Aug 24 i      i ii`- Re: number of registers1Stephen Fuld
21 Aug 24 i      i i`- Re: number of registers1Anton Ertl
21 Aug 24 i      i `* Re: number of registers5Anton Ertl
21 Aug 24 i      i  +* Re: number of registers3Stephen Fuld
21 Aug 24 i      i  i`* Re: number of registers2Anton Ertl
21 Aug 24 i      i  i `- Re: number of registers1Stephen Fuld
21 Aug 24 i      i  `- Re: number of registers1Anton Ertl
20 Aug 24 i      `* Re: number of registers7MitchAlsup1
21 Aug 24 i       `* Re: number of registers6Anton Ertl
21 Aug 24 i        +* Re: number of registers3Michael S
21 Aug 24 i        i`* Re: number of registers2Anton Ertl
21 Aug 24 i        i `- Re: number of registers1Michael S
21 Aug 24 i        `* Re: number of registers2MitchAlsup1
21 Aug 24 i         `- Re: number of registers1Michael S
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