Sujet : Re: is Vax adressing sane today
De : ggtgp (at) *nospam* yahoo.com (Brett)
Groupes : comp.archDate : 06. Sep 2024, 19:19:02
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Anton Ertl <
anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> writes:
But Vax allows all three arguments to be in memory with different pointers.
Is this sane, just a natural progression if you allow memory operands?
In combination with supporting unaligned accesses (but excluding
indirect addressing), it means that an instruction can access 6 pages,
and so the TLB (and/or TLB loader) has to be designed to support that.
Likewise, the OS has to be designed to load all 6 pages into physical
RAM without evicting one of these pages again. So this kind of
architecture increases the design complexity. And I don't see a
benefit from this design.
The memory system is pipelined, once you load the first of the three
values, you do not care if that cache line is evicted while you load the
second.
Caches are 16 way today, one does not worry about cache line evictions, it
just works.
Heads and tails encoding could actually do this reasonably, and the code
density would be actually be better than most competitors.
Would it? Please present empirical data. Certainly people claim that
instruction sets with one-memory-address load-and-op and
read-modify-write instructions have better code density, but when you
look at the data, there are load-store instruction sets with better
code density (and by quite a lot). From
<2024Aug21.184537@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>:
bash grep gzip
595204 107636 46744 armhf 16 regs load/store 32-bit
599832 101102 46898 riscv64 32 regs load/store 64-bit
796501 144926 57729 amd64 16 regs ld-op ld-op-st 64-bit
829776 134784 56868 arm64 32 regs load/store 64-bit
853892 152068 61124 i386 8 regs ld-op ld-op-st 32-bit
891128 158544 68500 armel 16 regs load/store 32-bit
892688 168816 64664 s390x 16 regs ld-op ld-op-st 64-bit
1020720 170736 71088 mips64el 32 regs load/store 64-bit
1168104 194900 83332 ppc64el 32 regs load/store 64-bit
What is "heads and tails encoding"?
128 bit or larger packets with the fixed size opcodes on the front, and the
variable sized data and offsets packing in from the end. You get variable
length instruction density with easier faster wide decoding. And also using
memory operands give you another density bonus on top.
The down side is that it makes your one and two wide implementations
bigger.
- anton
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