Re: Tonight's tradeoff

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Sujet : Re: Tonight's tradeoff
De : gneuner2 (at) *nospam* comcast.net (George Neuner)
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Date : 10. Mar 2024, 20:29:52
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On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 20:26:08 -0500, Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com>
wrote:

I plan on having garbage collection as part of the OS. There is a shared
hardware-card table involved.

What kind? 
[Actually "kind" is the wrong word because any non-toy, real world GC
will need to employ a combination of techniques.  So the question
really should be "in what major class is your GC"?]

Problem is - whatever you choose - it will be wrong and have bad
performance for some important class of GC'd applications.


So, I guess that would disallow user
garbage collectors using untouchable pages. The MMU could be faked out
using a VM, so I have read.

Yes, a VM can emulate MMU operation, but currently that requires using
a hypervisor - a heavyweight solution that also requires a guest OS to
run the program.

There are a number of light(er) weight VMs for running programs in
managed environments [which include GC] ... but all of them have to
run under an OS and are at its mercy.

GCs that use no-access pages are not rare, and they are just one class
of MMU assisted GC systems.  There are a number of ways a collector
can leverage the MMU to help.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
7 Mar 24 * Re: Tonight's tradeoff15Robert Finch
7 Mar 24 `* Re: Tonight's tradeoff14mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1)
7 Mar 24  `* Re: Tonight's tradeoff13Robert Finch
7 Mar 24   +- Re: Tonight's tradeoff1mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1)
8 Mar 24   `* Re: Tonight's tradeoff11George Neuner
9 Mar 24    +- Re: Tonight's tradeoff1mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1)
9 Mar 24    `* Re: Tonight's tradeoff9Robert Finch
10 Mar 24     `* Re: Tonight's tradeoff8George Neuner
11 Mar 24      +* Re: Tonight's tradeoff5George Neuner
11 Mar 24      i+* Re: Tonight's tradeoff3Tim Rentsch
12 Mar 24      ii`* Re: Tonight's tradeoff2George Neuner
13 Mar 24      ii `- Re: Tonight's tradeoff1Tim Rentsch
12 Mar 24      i`- Re: Tonight's tradeoff1Robert Finch
11 Mar 24      `* Re: Tonight's tradeoff2Tim Rentsch
29 Apr 24       `- Re: Tonight's tradeoff1Tim Rentsch

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