Re: Capabilities, Anybody?

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Sujet : Re: Capabilities, Anybody?
De : mitchalsup (at) *nospam* aol.com (MitchAlsup1)
Groupes : comp.arch
Date : 14. Mar 2024, 00:18:37
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Robert Finch wrote:

 In the past, capability machines wanted to use capabilities for all relocation and all protection. As long as this is the case, an applica-
tion has an unbounded need for capabilities.

It seems like it would have a lot of overhead, but it might be worth it for security.
 You can grant this with limited capabilities (top 4-odd bits) only when
you have a means to load a new capability into a known <capability> base
register[i]. Since this is privileged data, either the specified function-
ality of this instruction is precisely specified and operates with access to GuestOS address space.....it is difficult to imagine how to add Hyper-
Vision on top of GuestOS supervision.
{{Or do you intend to void Hypervisors?}}

I got the impression that with capabilities processor modes may not be necessary. I think the distinction between hypervisor / supervisor may be lost. Not sure that is a good idea.
Hypervisors are absolutely necessary if you want high RAS where a GuestOS may
crash without taking the system down. Does GuestOS use capabilities supplied
by HyperVisor for which it has no visibility ?? just prescribed uses ??
Consider a ECC error in a Capability and someone trying to use it.
Is the error charged to GuestOS who owns and manages the capability ??
or the application who is only following the prescribed uses of the
capability ?? {{The "why shoot the messenger/innocent" problem.}}

Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 Mar 24 * Capabilities, Anybody?78Lawrence D'Oliveiro
9 Mar 24 +* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?74mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1)
9 Mar 24 i+- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1BGB
9 Mar 24 i+* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?71BGB
9 Mar 24 ii+* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?61Robert Finch
9 Mar 24 iii+- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
10 Mar 24 iii`* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?59BGB
10 Mar 24 iii +- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1Chris M. Thomasson
10 Mar 24 iii `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?57Theo Markettos
10 Mar 24 iii  +* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?4John Dallman
11 Mar 24 iii  i`* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?3Theo
17 Mar 24 iii  i `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?2John Dallman
18 Mar 24 iii  i  `- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1Robert Finch
10 Mar 24 iii  +* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?19MitchAlsup1
11 Mar 24 iii  i`* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?18Theo Markettos
11 Mar 24 iii  i +* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?10MitchAlsup1
11 Mar 24 iii  i i`* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?9Theo Markettos
11 Mar 24 iii  i i +- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1George Neuner
11 Mar 24 iii  i i `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?7Michael S
11 Mar 24 iii  i i  +- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1Michael S
11 Mar 24 iii  i i  `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?5Michael S
11 Mar 24 iii  i i   `* Broken Date formats4Michael S
11 Mar 24 iii  i i    `* Re: Broken Date formats3Michael S
11 Mar 24 iii  i i     `* Re: Broken Date formats2Michael S
11 Mar 24 iii  i i      `- Re: Broken Date formats1Michael S
11 Mar 24 iii  i `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?7Chris M. Thomasson
12 Mar 24 iii  i  `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?6Chris M. Thomasson
13 Mar 24 iii  i   `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?5BGB
14 Mar 24 iii  i    `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?4Chris M. Thomasson
14 Mar 24 iii  i     `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?3BGB
14 Mar 24 iii  i      `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?2Chris M. Thomasson
16 Mar 24 iii  i       `- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1BGB
10 Mar 24 iii  `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?33BGB
11 Mar 24 iii   `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?32Robert Finch
11 Mar 24 iii    `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?31BGB
13 Mar 24 iii     `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?30Robert Finch
13 Mar 24 iii      +* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?24MitchAlsup1
13 Mar 24 iii      i`* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?23Robert Finch
13 Mar 24 iii      i +* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?21MitchAlsup1
14 Mar 24 iii      i i`* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?20Robert Finch
14 Mar 24 iii      i i +- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
14 Mar 24 iii      i i `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?18MitchAlsup1
14 Mar 24 iii      i i  `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?17Lawrence D'Oliveiro
14 Mar 24 iii      i i   +* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?10MitchAlsup1
14 Mar 24 iii      i i   i`* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?9Lawrence D'Oliveiro
15 Mar 24 iii      i i   i `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?8MitchAlsup1
15 Mar 24 iii      i i   i  +* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?2Chris M. Thomasson
15 Mar 24 iii      i i   i  i`- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1Chris M. Thomasson
15 Mar 24 iii      i i   i  `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?5Lawrence D'Oliveiro
15 Mar 24 iii      i i   i   `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?4Chris M. Thomasson
15 Mar 24 iii      i i   i    `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
15 Mar 24 iii      i i   i     `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
15 Mar 24 iii      i i   i      `- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1Chris M. Thomasson
14 Mar 24 iii      i i   +* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?5Lawrence D'Oliveiro
15 Mar 24 iii      i i   i`* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?4MitchAlsup1
15 Mar 24 iii      i i   i +- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
18 Mar 24 iii      i i   i +- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1Paul A. Clayton
18 Mar 24 iii      i i   i `- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1MitchAlsup1
15 Mar 24 iii      i i   `- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1MitchAlsup1
14 Mar 24 iii      i `- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1Theo Markettos
13 Mar 24 iii      `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?5BGB
14 Mar 24 iii       `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?4Robert Finch
14 Mar 24 iii        `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?3BGB
14 Mar 24 iii         +- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
15 Mar 24 iii         `- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1MitchAlsup1
10 Mar 24 ii`* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?9Theo Markettos
11 Mar 24 ii `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?8BGB
11 Mar 24 ii  +* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?2Robert Finch
12 Mar 24 ii  i`- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1BGB
12 Mar 24 ii  +* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?2BGB
12 Mar 24 ii  i`- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1MitchAlsup1
14 Mar 24 ii  `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?3Theo Markettos
14 Mar 24 ii   +- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1MitchAlsup1
14 Mar 24 ii   `- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1BGB
9 Mar 24 i`- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
9 Mar 24 `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?3Robert Finch
9 Mar 24  `* Re: Capabilities, Anybody?2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
9 Mar 24   `- Re: Capabilities, Anybody?1Robert Finch

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