Re: Another security vulnerability

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De : mitchalsup (at) *nospam* aol.com (MitchAlsup1)
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Date : 28. Mar 2024, 02:22:06
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 09:22:12 -0700, Stephen Fuld wrote:

On 3/25/2024 5:27 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
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On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 22:17:55 +0000, MitchAlsup1 wrote:
 
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
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The basic problem is that building all this complex, bug-prone
functionality into monolithic, nonupgradeable hardware is not really
a good idea.
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Would you like to inform us of how it can be done otherwise ?
 Upgradeable firmware/software, of course.
 But microcode is generally slower than dedicated hardware, and most
people seem to be unwilling to give up performance all the time to gain
an advantage in a situation that occurs infrequently and mostly never.
S.E.L 32/65, 32/67, 32/87 were all microcoded. 95% of the instructions*
ran down the pipeline without using the microcode (which was only there
to pick up the pieces after HW logic sequencers got tooo complicated.
(*) closer to 97% of the dynamic instruction stream.
Microcode IS generally slower, but not always. PDP-11 or VAX microcode
is too much, IBM, S.E.L. is not too much.

Bruce Schneier has a saying: “attacks never get worse, they can only get better”.
Which is why to have to design for attackers (to be thwarted}.
Observing the last 4-odd years, it appears to me that CPU designers will
not be in a position to "give a rat's ass" until there is performance
competitive, cost competitive, alternatives. Given Apple, AMD, ARM, and
Intel not giving a rat's ass, it's going to have to come from somewhere
else.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
24 Mar 24 * Another security vulnerability58Stephen Fuld
24 Mar 24 +* Re: Another security vulnerability4MitchAlsup1
25 Mar 24 i+* Re: Another security vulnerability2Stefan Monnier
26 Mar 24 ii`- Re: Another security vulnerability1Michael S
26 Mar 24 i`- Re: Another security vulnerability1Michael S
24 Mar 24 +* Re: Another security vulnerability10Lawrence D'Oliveiro
25 Mar 24 i+- Re: Another security vulnerability1Stefan Monnier
25 Mar 24 i`* Re: Another security vulnerability8Stephen Fuld
25 Mar 24 i `* Re: Another security vulnerability7Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Mar 24 i  +* Re: Another security vulnerability5MitchAlsup1
26 Mar 24 i  i`* Re: Another security vulnerability4Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Mar 24 i  i `* Re: Another security vulnerability3Stephen Fuld
28 Mar 24 i  i  `* Re: Another security vulnerability2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
28 Mar 24 i  i   `- Re: Another security vulnerability1MitchAlsup1
26 Mar 24 i  `- Re: Another security vulnerability1Michael S
25 Mar 24 +* Re: Another security vulnerability18Thomas Koenig
25 Mar 24 i+* Re: Another security vulnerability16Anton Ertl
26 Mar 24 ii+* Re: Another security vulnerability13Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Mar 24 iii`* Re: Another security vulnerability12Anton Ertl
5 Jun 24 iii `* Re: Another security vulnerability11MitchAlsup1
5 Jun 24 iii  +* Re: Another security vulnerability9Anton Ertl
11 Jun 24 iii  i`* Re: Another security vulnerability8MitchAlsup1
11 Jun 24 iii  i +* Re: Another security vulnerability6Stephen Fuld
11 Jun 24 iii  i i`* Re: Another security vulnerability5MitchAlsup1
11 Jun 24 iii  i i `* Re: Another security vulnerability4Stephen Fuld
11 Jun 24 iii  i i  `* Re: Another security vulnerability3Terje Mathisen
11 Jun 24 iii  i i   `* SSDs (was: Another security vulnerability)2Stefan Monnier
11 Jun 24 iii  i i    `- Re: SSDs1Chris M. Thomasson
11 Jun 24 iii  i `- Re: Another security vulnerability1MitchAlsup1
11 Jun 24 iii  `- Re: Another security vulnerability1MitchAlsup1
26 Mar 24 ii`* Re: Another security vulnerability2Anton Ertl
26 Mar 24 ii `- Re: Another security vulnerability1Anton Ertl
25 Mar 24 i`- Re: Another security vulnerability1Michael S
25 Mar 24 +* Re: Another security vulnerability22Anton Ertl
26 Mar 24 i`* Re: Another security vulnerability21Michael S
27 Mar 24 i `* Re: Another security vulnerability20Thomas Koenig
27 Mar 24 i  +* Re: Another security vulnerability2Thomas Koenig
27 Mar 24 i  i`- Re: Another security vulnerability1Thomas Koenig
27 Mar 24 i  +- Re: Another security vulnerability1Anton Ertl
27 Mar 24 i  `* Re: Another security vulnerability16Anton Ertl
27 Mar 24 i   `* Re: Another security vulnerability15MitchAlsup1
28 Mar 24 i    +* Re: Another security vulnerability4MitchAlsup1
29 Mar 24 i    i`* Re: Another security vulnerability3Paul A. Clayton
29 Mar 24 i    i `* Re: Another security vulnerability2Paul A. Clayton
30 Mar 24 i    i  `- Re: Another security vulnerability1MitchAlsup1
3 Apr 24 i    `* Re: Another security vulnerability10Stefan Monnier
3 Apr 24 i     `* Re: Another security vulnerability9Thomas Koenig
3 Apr 24 i      +* Re: Another security vulnerability6MitchAlsup1
4 Apr 24 i      i`* Re: Another security vulnerability5Thomas Koenig
4 Apr 24 i      i `* Re: Another security vulnerability4MitchAlsup1
4 Apr 24 i      i  +- Re: Another security vulnerability1MitchAlsup1
7 Apr 24 i      i  `* Re: Another security vulnerability2Paul A. Clayton
8 Apr 24 i      i   `- Re: Another security vulnerability1MitchAlsup1
5 Apr 24 i      `* Re: Another security vulnerability2Stefan Monnier
5 Apr 24 i       `- Re: Another security vulnerability1MitchAlsup1
25 Mar 24 `* Re: Another security vulnerability3John Savard
25 Mar 24  `* Re: Another security vulnerability2Michael S
26 Mar 24   `- Re: Another security vulnerability1Lawrence D'Oliveiro

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