Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes

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Sujet : Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes
De : bohannonindustriesllc (at) *nospam* gmail.com (BGB-Alt)
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Date : 11. Apr 2024, 22:42:59
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On 4/11/2024 1:46 PM, MitchAlsup1 wrote:
BGB wrote:
 
On 4/11/2024 6:13 AM, Michael S wrote:
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 23:30:02 +0000
mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) wrote:
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It does occupy some icache space, however; have you boosted the
icache size to compensate?
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The space occupied in the ICache is freed up from being in the DCache
so the overall hit rate goes up !! At typical sizes, ICache miss rate
is about ¼ the miss rate of DCache.
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Besides:: if you had to LD the constant from memory, you use a LD
instruction and 1 or 2 words in DCache, while consuming a GPR. So,
overall, it takes fewer cycles, fewer GPRs, and fewer instructions.
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Alternatively:: if you paste constants together (LUI, AUPIC) you have
no direct route to either 64-bit constants or 64-bit address spaces.
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It looks to be a win-win !!
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Win-win under constraints of Load-Store Arch. Otherwise, it depends.
 Never seen a LD-OP architecture where the inbound memory can be in the Rs1 position of the instruction.
 
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FWIW:
The LDSH / SHORI mechanism does provide a way to get 64-bit constants, and needs less encoding space than the LUI route.
 
   MOV Imm16. Rn
   SHORI Imm16, Rn
   SHORI Imm16, Rn
   SHORI Imm16, Rn
 
Granted, if each is a 1-cycle instruction, this still takes 4 clock cycles.
 As compared to::
      CALK   Rd,Rs1,#imm64
 Which takes 3 words (12 bytes) and executes in CALK cycles, the loading
of the constant is free !! (0 cycles) !! {{The above example uses at least
5 cycles to use the loaded/built constant.}}
 
The main reason one might want SHORI is that it can fit into a fixed-length 32-bit encoding. Also technically could be retrofitted onto RISC-V without any significant change, unlike some other options (as noted, I don't argue for adding Jumbo prefixes to RV under the basis that there is no real viable way to add them to RV, *).
Sadly, the closest option to viable for RV would be to add the SHORI instruction and optionally pattern match it in the fetch/decode.
Or, say:
   LUI Xn, Imm20
   ADD Xn, Xn, Imm12
   SHORI Xn, Imm16
   SHORI Xn, Imm16
Then, combine LUI+ADD into a 32-bit load in the decoder (though probably only if the Imm12 is positive), and 2x SHORI into a combined "Xn=(Xn<<32)|Imm32" operation.
This could potentially get it down to 2 clock cycles.
*: To add a jumbo prefix, one needs an encoding that:
   Uses up a really big chunk of encoding space;
   Is otherwise illegal and unused.
RISC-V doesn't have anything here.
Ironically, in XG2 mode, I still have 28x 24-bit chunks of encoding space that aren't yet used for anything, but aren't usable as normal encoding space mostly because if I put instructions in there (with the existing encoding schemes), I couldn't use all the registers (and they would not have predication or similar either). Annoyingly, the only types of encodings that would fit in there at present are 2RI Imm16 ops or similar (or maybe 3R 128-bit SIMD ops, where these ops only use encodings for R0..R31 anyways, interpreting the LSB of the register field as encoding R32..R63).
Though, 14x of these spaces would likely be alternate forms of Jumbo prefix (with another 14 in unconditional-scalar-op land). No immediate need to re-add an equivalent of the 40x2 encoding (from Baseline mode), as most of what 40x2 addressed can be encoded natively in XG2 Mode.
Technically, I also have 2 unused bits in the Imm16 ops as well in XG2 Mode. I "could" in theory, if I wanted, use them to extend the:
   MOV Imm17s, Rn
Case, to:
   MOV Imm19s, Rn
Though, the other option is to leave them reserved if I later want more Imm16 ops.
For now, current plan is to leave this stuff as reserved.

An encoding that can MOV a 64-bit constant in 96-bits (12 bytes) and 1-cycle, is preferable....
 A consuming instruction where you don't even use a register is better
still !!
Can be done, but thus far 33-bit immediate values. Luckily, Imm33s seems to addresses around 99% of uses (for normal ALU ops and similar).
Had considered allowing an Imm57s case for SIMD immediates (4x S.E5.F8 or 2x S.E8.F19), which would have indirectly allowed the Imm57s case. By themselves though, the difference doesn't seem enough to justify the cost.
Don't have enough bits in the encoding scheme to pull off a 3RI Imm64 in 12 bytes (and allowing a 16-byte encoding would have too steep of a cost increase to be worthwhile).
So, alas...

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