Sujet : Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600
De : cr88192 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (BGB)
Groupes : comp.archDate : 27. Apr 2024, 20:59:30
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On 4/26/2024 1:59 PM, EricP wrote:
MitchAlsup1 wrote:
BGB wrote:
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If one had 16-bit displacements, then unscaled displacements would make sense; otherwise scaled displacements seem like a win (misaligned displacements being much less common than aligned displacements).
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What we need is ~16-bit displacements where 82½%-91¼% are positive.
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How does one use a frame pointer without negative displacements ??
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[FP+disp] accesses callee save registers
[FP-disp] accesses local stack variables and descriptors
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[SP+disp] accesses argument and result values
A sign extended 16-bit offsets would cover almost all such access needs
so I really don't see the need for funny business.
But if you really want a skewed range offset it could use something like
excess-256 encoding which zero extends the immediate then subtract 256
(or whatever) from it, to give offsets in the range -256..+65535-256.
So an immediate value of 0 equals an offset of -256.
Yeah, my thinking was that by the time one has 16 bits for Load/Store displacements, they could almost just go +/- 32K and call it done.
But, much smaller than this, there is an advantage to scaling the displacements.
In other news, got around to getting the RISC-V code to build in PIE mode for Doom (by using "riscv64-unknown-linux-gnu-*").
Can note that RV64 code density takes a hit in this case:
RV64: 299K (.text)
XG2 : 284K (.text)
So, apparently using this version of GCC and using "-fPIE" works in my favor regarding code density...
I guess a question is what FDPIC would do if GCC supported it, since this would be the closest direct analog to my own ABI.
I guess some people are dragging their feet on FDPIC, as there is some debate as to whether or not NOMMU makes sense for RISC-V, along with its associated performance impact if used.
In my case, if I wanted to go over to simple base-relocatable images, this would technically eliminate the need for GBR reloading.
Checks:
Simple base-relocatable case actually currently generates bigger binaries, I suspect because in this case it is less space-efficient to use PC-rel vs GBR-rel.
Went and added a "pbostatic" option, which sidesteps saving and restoring GBR (making the simplifying assumption that functions will never be called from outside the current binary).
This saves roughly 4K (Doom's ".text" shrinks to 280K).
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17 Apr 24 | Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 128 | | John Savard |
18 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 125 | | MitchAlsup1 |
18 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 124 | | John Savard |
18 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 123 | | MitchAlsup1 |
19 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 122 | | John Savard |
19 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 121 | | John Savard |
19 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 120 | | MitchAlsup1 |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 2 | | John Savard |
21 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 1 | | John Savard |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 117 | | John Savard |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 116 | | John Savard |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 115 | | MitchAlsup1 |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 105 | | BGB |
21 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 104 | | MitchAlsup1 |
21 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 63 | | John Savard |
21 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 15 | | John Savard |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 14 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 12 | | MitchAlsup1 |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
30 Apr 24 | Re: a bit of history, Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 10 | | John Levine |
3 May 24 | Re: a bit of history, Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 9 | | Anton Ertl |
3 May 24 | Re: a bit of history, Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 7 | | John Levine |
4 May 24 | Re: a bit of history, Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 6 | | Thomas Koenig |
4 May 24 | Re: a bit of history, Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 4 | | John Levine |
4 May 24 | Re: a bit of history, Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 3 | | MitchAlsup1 |
5 May 24 | Re: a bit of history, Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 2 | | Thomas Koenig |
5 May 24 | Re: a bit of history, Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 1 | | MitchAlsup1 |
28 Jul 24 | Re: a bit of history, Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
3 May 24 | Re: a bit of history, Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 1 | | MitchAlsup1 |
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21 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 47 | | MitchAlsup1 |
23 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 45 | | George Neuner |
23 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 44 | | MitchAlsup1 |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 43 | | George Neuner |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 42 | | BGB |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 41 | | MitchAlsup1 |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 2 | | Anton Ertl |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 1 | | MitchAlsup1 |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 4 | | BGB |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 2 | | MitchAlsup1 |
27 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 1 | | BGB |
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28 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 30 | | BGB |
28 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 24 | | BGB |
28 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 23 | | BGB |
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30 Jul 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 4 | | BGB |
31 Jul 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 3 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
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22 Apr 24 | Re: Stealing a Great Idea from the 6600 | 2 | | MitchAlsup1 |
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