Sujet : Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360
De : SFuld (at) *nospam* alumni.cmu.edu.invalid (Stephen Fuld)
Groupes : comp.archDate : 30. Jun 2024, 17:13:51
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 04:33:11 -0000 (UTC), Stephen Fuld wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
By the 1970s, CPU/RAM speeds had improved to the
point where copying records a few hundred bytes at a time between
buffers was not the performance bottleneck; disk I/O was.
Yes, but given multiprogramming, even in the 1970s, you would
typically have several batch programs running at the same time, so
during waits for I/O, another program could use the CPU. But using
the CPU to move records meant it couldn't be doing anything else at
the same time.
Scraping the bottom of the barrel, much?
Work out the numbers. The CPU time necessary to copy a single record
is most likely a small fraction of the time it takes to service an
I/O interrupt.
And this is not taking into account the fact that I/O interrupts run
at a higher priority than user-level tasks like copying buffers,
anyway.
The thing you are missing is that (in the common scenario I was talking
about) locate mode costs absolutely zero. No overhead in the I/O
system, no changes to the source code, nothing. And not using it has
no, i.e. zero, advantages. So while the savings might be small, there
are no costs, so why no use it.
And BTW, not that it effects the calculation, but you only have one I/O
interrupt per physical block, not per logical record.
-- - Stephen Fuld (e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)
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20 Jun 24 |  Re: ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 95 | | John Levine |
21 Jun 24 |   Re: ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 94 | | Lynn Wheeler |
24 Jun 24 |    Re: ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 93 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
24 Jun 24 |     Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 90 | | John Levine |
24 Jun 24 |      Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 87 | | Lynn Wheeler |
24 Jun 24 |       Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 82 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
25 Jun 24 |        Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 81 | | John Levine |
25 Jun 24 |         Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 73 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
25 Jun 24 |          Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 72 | | Stephen Fuld |
25 Jun 24 |           Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 64 | | Stephen Fuld |
26 Jun 24 |            Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 63 | | Stephen Fuld |
26 Jun 24 |             Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 62 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
26 Jun 24 |              Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 57 | | John Levine |
26 Jun 24 |               Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 56 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
27 Jun 24 |                Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 55 | | John Levine |
27 Jun 24 |                 Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 54 | | MitchAlsup1 |
28 Jun 24 |                  Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 53 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
28 Jun 24 |                   Re: TSS I/O, ancient OS history | 1 | | John Levine |
28 Jun 24 |                   Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 51 | | MitchAlsup1 |
28 Jun 24 |                    Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 50 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
29 Jun 24 |                     Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 49 | | Stephen Fuld |
29 Jun 24 |                      Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 48 | | John Levine |
30 Jun 24 |                       Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 32 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
30 Jun 24 |                        Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 1 | | MitchAlsup1 |
30 Jun 24 |                        Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 30 | | Stephen Fuld |
30 Jun 24 |                         Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 24 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
30 Jun 24 |                          Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 22 | | Lynn Wheeler |
30 Jun 24 |                           Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 21 | | John Dallman |
30 Jun 24 |                            Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 19 | | Thomas Koenig |
30 Jun 24 |                             Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 8 | | Michael S |
30 Jun 24 |                              Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 6 | | Thomas Koenig |
30 Jun 24 |                               Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 4 | | Stephen Fuld |
30 Jun 24 |                                Re: base registers, ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 3 | | John Levine |
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30 Jun 24 |                               Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 1 | | MitchAlsup1 |
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