Sujet : Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use
De : johnl (at) *nospam* taugh.com (John Levine)
Groupes : comp.archDate : 16. Aug 2024, 15:14:51
Autres entêtes
Organisation : Taughannock Networks
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According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro <
ldo@nz.invalid>:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:06:16 +0300, Niklas Holsti wrote:
>
Dewar used to say that COBOL is the "Rodney Dangerfield of programming
languages", which just "don't get no respect".
>
Except people laughed *with* Rodney Dangerfield, whereas they laugh *at*
COBOL. For Dangerfield, it was just an act, after all: you don’t think his
real life was like that, do you?
>
COBOL was designed specifically for “business” computing, back when there
was a clearly demarcation of what this meant: no need for complex
mathematical formulae, no need for string/text manipulation, no need for
interactive terminals.
>
One major crack in this wall came with the introduction of relational
DBMSes, particularly ones using SQL as their interface language: suddenly,
the use of such databases became very much a core “business” need.
>
The best way to interface to such a DBMS was to be able to generate SQL
strings on the fly; but this required some facility with manipulation of
dynamic, variable-length strings, which COBOL completely lacked. And so
special extensions were tacked on, just to cope with the generation of SQL
queries and templates.
Back when I was in school it was fashionable to sneer at COBOL, but I don't
think many of the people doing the sneering knew anything about the language.
For example, it has coroutines implemented in a very useful way. I doubt any
of them knew that, and at the time, very few other languages did.
The current version of COBOL has a lot of extensions over the 1960s version
which should be no surprise. The current versions of Fortran and C are a
lot bigger than the classic versions, too.
For some kinds of work, COBOL is still an entirely reasonable language, albeit
one where the learning curve can be pretty steep.
-- Regards,John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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14 Aug 24 | Article on new mainframe use | 132 | | Stephen Fuld |
14 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 124 | | MitchAlsup1 |
15 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 123 | | George Neuner |
15 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Stephen Fuld |
15 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 121 | | MitchAlsup1 |
15 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Stephen Fuld |
15 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 118 | | Niklas Holsti |
16 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 117 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
16 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 30 | | John Levine |
17 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 5 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
17 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | John Levine |
17 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 3 | | Keith Thompson |
18 Aug 24 | Re: coroutines in COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 2 | | John Levine |
18 Aug 24 | Re: coroutines in COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
18 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 24 | | OrangeFish |
18 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | John Levine |
18 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 22 | | John Dallman |
18 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 14 | | MitchAlsup1 |
19 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | John Dallman |
23 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 12 | | Terje Mathisen |
23 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 11 | | Michael S |
23 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 10 | | Terje Mathisen |
23 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 9 | | Michael S |
23 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 6 | | John Levine |
24 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
27 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 4 | | Keith Thompson |
28 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 3 | | MitchAlsup1 |
28 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 2 | | Keith Thompson |
2 Sep 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
24 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 2 | | John Dallman |
28 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
19 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 7 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
19 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 6 | | John Levine |
21 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 5 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
21 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 4 | | Keith Thompson |
21 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 3 | | MitchAlsup1 |
21 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Keith Thompson |
2 Sep 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Tim Rentsch |
16 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 82 | | George Neuner |
22 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 81 | | BGB |
23 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Stephen Fuld |
23 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 79 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
23 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 77 | | BGB |
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24 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 75 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
24 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | BGB |
24 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 73 | | John Levine |
28 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 70 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
29 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 69 | | John Levine |
30 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 68 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
30 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 67 | | Michael S |
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31 Aug 24 | Re: tiny COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 8 | | Stefan Monnier |
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2 Sep 24 | Re: tiny COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 4 | | Terje Mathisen |
2 Sep 24 | Re: tiny COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 2 | | Thomas Koenig |
2 Sep 24 | Re: tiny COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Anssi Saari |
2 Sep 24 | Re: tiny COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Anton Ertl |
31 Aug 24 | Re: tiny COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Anton Ertl |
31 Aug 24 | Re: tiny COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | George Neuner |
2 Sep 24 | Re: tiny COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 2 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
4 Sep 24 | Re: tiny COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
1 Sep 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 6 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
1 Sep 24 | Re: COBOL history, Article on new mainframe use | 3 | | John Levine |
1 Sep 24 | Re: COBOL history, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lynn Wheeler |
2 Sep 24 | Re: COBOL history, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
1 Sep 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 2 | | John Dallman |
2 Sep 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
1 Sep 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 48 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
1 Sep 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 47 | | MitchAlsup1 |
2 Sep 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 46 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
2 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 45 | | John Levine |
2 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Thomas Koenig |
2 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Stephen Fuld |
4 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 42 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
4 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 2 | | Terje Mathisen |
4 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
4 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 39 | | John Levine |
4 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 37 | | John Dallman |
4 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | MitchAlsup1 |
5 Sep 24 | transparent huge pages (was: Address bits again) | 4 | | Anton Ertl |
5 Sep 24 | Re: transparent huge pages | 1 | | MitchAlsup1 |
5 Sep 24 | Re: transparent huge pages | 1 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
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5 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 31 | | John Levine |
8 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 30 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
8 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 29 | | MitchAlsup1 |
8 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 4 | | MitchAlsup1 |
8 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 3 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
9 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 2 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
9 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
9 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 24 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
9 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 23 | | MitchAlsup1 |
10 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 22 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
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11 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
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12 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 18 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
12 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 17 | | Lars Poulsen |
12 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 13 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
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28 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 2 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
23 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | George Neuner |
16 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 4 | | Lynn Wheeler |
15 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Thomas Koenig |
15 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 7 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |