Sujet : Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use
De : mitchalsup (at) *nospam* aol.com (MitchAlsup1)
Groupes : comp.archDate : 04. Sep 2024, 17:51:15
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On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 15:38:00 +0000, John Dallman wrote:
In article <vb9r4g$2o1f$1@gal.iecc.com>, johnl@taugh.com (John Levine)
wrote:
>
I think they thought it was paging, but of course 8K pages were way
too large. So they overreacted and the Vax pages were 512 bytes
which were too small.
>
Everyone seems to use 4K pages now, and that works well for
ordinary-size
programs in 32- and 64-bit address spaces. Bigger pages have been
available in many operating systems for a couple of decades, but they
seem to have been only used by programs that used memory in specialised
ways, like database indexes, and they were used on a per-process basis.
For better or worse, My 66000 uses 8K pages.
This has several advantages::
a) it is a 5 level structure for a 63-bit virtual address space
(instead of 6)
b) each level gives you 1024 DoubleWords (instead of 512)
10 is easier for humans to reason about than 9
c) page sizes ae 8K, 8M, 8G, 8T, 8E, really big
easier to reason through
d) nested page walks are 5×5 instead of 6×6
e) 1 more bit for doing something different.
With level skipping one can map 'cat" in 1 page of MMY tables
{one page of paging overhead}, and still scatter .code far from .data
and .stack or .heap.
The interesting thing that's happening now is that Android 15, due for
release soon, allows for devices that /only/ use 16K pages. Since
there's
no conventional paging, they presumably want to keep the page tables
from
eating too much RAM.
>
When I was working on the DOS version of Javelin we used a linker
that had overlays just like the mainframe linkers. I got it to work
and squeezed the code into about 1/3 the space it'd take otherwise
but it wasn't pleasant.
>
Was that PLink, the Phoenix linker? The project I worked on in 1986-87
used that for similar squashing.
>
John
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14 Aug 24 | Article on new mainframe use | 132 | | Stephen Fuld |
14 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 124 | | MitchAlsup1 |
15 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 123 | | George Neuner |
15 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Stephen Fuld |
15 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 121 | | MitchAlsup1 |
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16 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 117 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
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17 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 5 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
17 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | John Levine |
17 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 3 | | Keith Thompson |
18 Aug 24 | Re: coroutines in COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 2 | | John Levine |
18 Aug 24 | Re: coroutines in COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
18 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 24 | | OrangeFish |
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18 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 22 | | John Dallman |
18 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 14 | | MitchAlsup1 |
19 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | John Dallman |
23 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 12 | | Terje Mathisen |
23 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 11 | | Michael S |
23 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 10 | | Terje Mathisen |
23 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 9 | | Michael S |
23 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 6 | | John Levine |
24 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
27 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 4 | | Keith Thompson |
28 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 3 | | MitchAlsup1 |
28 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 2 | | Keith Thompson |
2 Sep 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
24 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 2 | | John Dallman |
28 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
19 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 7 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
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21 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 5 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
21 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 4 | | Keith Thompson |
21 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 3 | | MitchAlsup1 |
21 Aug 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Keith Thompson |
2 Sep 24 | Re: COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Tim Rentsch |
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22 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 81 | | BGB |
23 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Stephen Fuld |
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23 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 77 | | BGB |
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24 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 75 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
24 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | BGB |
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30 Aug 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 67 | | Michael S |
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4 Sep 24 | Re: tiny COBOL, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
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2 Sep 24 | Re: COBOL history, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
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2 Sep 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
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1 Sep 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 47 | | MitchAlsup1 |
2 Sep 24 | Re: Article on new mainframe use | 46 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
2 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 45 | | John Levine |
2 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Thomas Koenig |
2 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Stephen Fuld |
4 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 42 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
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4 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
4 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 39 | | John Levine |
4 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 37 | | John Dallman |
4 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 1 | | MitchAlsup1 |
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5 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 31 | | John Levine |
8 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 30 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
8 Sep 24 | Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use | 29 | | MitchAlsup1 |
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