Re: Computer architects leaving Intel...

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Sujet : Re: Computer architects leaving Intel...
De : tkoenig (at) *nospam* netcologne.de (Thomas Koenig)
Groupes : comp.arch
Date : 24. Sep 2024, 06:23:08
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BGB-Alt <bohannonindustriesllc@gmail.com> schrieb:
On 9/22/2024 3:43 PM, Paul A. Clayton wrote:
On 9/19/24 11:07 AM, EricP wrote:
[snip]
If the multiplier is pipelined with a latency of 5 and throughput of 1,
then MULL takes 5 cycles and MULL,MULH takes 6.
>
But those two multiplies still are tossing away 50% of their work.
 
I do not remember how multipliers are actually implemented — and
am not motivated to refresh my memory at the moment — but I
thought a multiply low would not need to generate the upper bits,
so I do not understand where your "50% of their work" is coming
from.
 
The high result needs the low result carry-out but not the rest of
the result. (An approximate multiply high for multiply by
reciprocal might be useful, avoiding the low result work. There
might also be ways that a multiplier could be configured to also
provide bit mixing similar to middle result for generating a
hash?)
 
>
I guess it might be interesting if one made a bigger multiplier out of
4-bit multipliers, in a way similar to a 4-bit shift-add.

If you look through the old TTL handbooks by TI, you will find how
people did multipliers in the bit-slice age.  They had 4 bit *
4 bit->8 bit multipliers (74274) or Booth recoding with a 74261
and then summed up the partial products using the 74275.

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