Re: 80286 protected mode

Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:32:34 -0000 (UTC)
Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:

jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) writes: 

In article <2024Oct6.150415@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>,
anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) wrote:
 

I find it hard to believe that many customers would ask Intel
for something the 80286 protected mode with segments limited
to 64KB, and even if, that Intel would listen to them.  This
looks much more like an idee fixe to me that one or more of
the 286 project leaders had, and all customer input was made
to fit into this idea, or was ignored. 

 
Either half-remembered from older architectures, or re-invented and
considered viable a decade after the original inventors had learned
better. 

 
Here's another speculation: The 286 protected mode was what they
already had in mind when they built the 8086, but there were not
enough transistors to do it in the 8086, so they did real mode, and
in the 80286 they finally got around to it.  And the idea was (like
AFAIK in the iAPX432) to have one segment per object and per
procedure, i.e., the large memory model.  The smaller memory models
were possible, but not really intended.  The Huge memory model was
completely alien to protected mode, as was direct hardware access,
as was common on the IBM PC.  And computing with segment register
contents was also not intended.
 
If programmers had used the 8086 in the intended way, porting to
protected mode would have been easy, but the programmers used it in
other ways, and the protected mode flopped.
 
Would it have been differently if the 8086/8088 had already had
protected mode?  I think that having one segment per object would
have been too inefficient, and also that 8192 segments is not
enough for that kind of usage, given 640KB of RAM (not to mention
the 16MB that the 286 supported); and with 640KB having the
segments limited to 64KB is too restrictive for a number of
applications. 

 
I have for decades pointed out that the four bit offset of 8086
segments was planned obsolescence. An 8 bit offset with 16 megabytes
of address space would have kept the low end alive for too long in
Intels eyes. To control the market you need to drive complexity onto
the users, which weeds out licensed competition.
 
Everything Intel did drove needless patentable complexity into the
follow on CPUs.
 

You forget that Intel didn't and couldn't expect that 8088 would be
such stunning success. Not just that. According to Oral history they
didn't realize what they have in hands until 1983.

Today the 8088 is a joke microcontroller, that was not the case when it was
introduced. The 8088 was a major project with major profits, not some
afterthought.

Yes the success eventually dwarfed expectations, but that was a lightning
strike, the plan was in place and so the lightning strike could be taken
advantage of to build a monopoly, instead of the small walled fortress with
moat that was planned.

You saw what happened to the MC680x0 series that did not have a moat or a
good plan.