Re: IBM and Amdahl history (Re: What is an N-bit machine?)

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Sujet : Re: IBM and Amdahl history (Re: What is an N-bit machine?)
De : lynn (at) *nospam* garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
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Date : 29. Nov 2024, 22:51:07
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anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes:
OTOH, FS eventually led to S/38 and the System i, which IBM sold
rather than introducing low-end S/370 (and later s390 and s390x)
members.  The way that Heinz Zemanek (head of IBM's Vienna Lab until
1976) told the story was that IBM was preparing to be divided up if
they lost the anti-trust action, and introduced S/38 and one other
line (that I don't remember) in addition to S/370 for that.

one of the last nails in the future system coffin was study by the IBM
Houston Scientific Center that if 370/195 applications were rewritten
for Future System machine made out of the fastest available technology,
it would have throughput of 370/145 (about factor of 30 times slowdown).

After graduating and joining IBM, one of my hobbies was enhanced
production operating systems for IBM internal datacenters ... and was
ask to visit lots of locations in US, world trade, europe, asia, etc
(one of my 1st and long time customers was the world-wide, branch
office, online sales&marketing support HONE systems). I continued to
work on 360/370 all through FS, even periodically ridiculing what they
were doing (it seemed as if the people were so dazzled by the blue sky
technologies, they had no sense of speeds&feeds).

I had done a paged mapped filesystem for CMS and claimed I learned what
not to do from TSS/360 single level store. FS single-level store was
even slower than TSS/360 and S/38 was simplified and slower yet ... aka
for S/38 low-end/entry market there was plenty of head room between
their throughput requirements and the available hardware technology,
processing power, disk speed, etc. S/38 had lots of canned applications
for its market and very high-level, very simplified system and
programming environment (very much RPG oriented).

Early/mid 80s, my brother was regional Apple marketing manager and when
he came into town, I could be invited to business dinners ... including
arguing MAC design with developers (before announce). He had stories
about figuring out how to remotely dial into the S/38 running Apple to
track manufacturing and delivery schedules.

other trivia: late 70s, IBM had effort to move the large variety of
internal custom CISC microprocessors (s/38, low&mid range 370s,
controllers, etc) to 801/risc chips (with common programming
environment). First half 80s, for various reasons, those 801/RISC
efforts floundered (returning to doing custom CISC) and found some of
the 801/RISC chip engineers leaving IBM for other vendors.

1996 MIT Sloan The Decline and Rise of IBM
https://sloanreview.mit.edu/article/the-decline-and-rise-of-ibm/?switch_view=PDF
1995 l'Ecole de Paris The rise and fall of IBM
https://www.ecole.org/en/session/49-the-rise-and-fall-of-ibm
1993 Computer Wars: The Post-IBM World
https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Wars-The-Post-IBM-World/dp/1587981394/

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30 Nov 24 i i `* Re: What is an N-bit machine?7MitchAlsup1
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1 Dec 24 i i  i`- Re: What is an N-bit machine?1Anton Ertl
2 Dec 24 i i  `* Re: What is an N-bit machine?4Terje Mathisen
3 Dec 24 i i   +* Re: What is an N-bit machine?2Brian G. Lucas
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30 Nov 24 i  i`* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?)31Thomas Koenig
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30 Nov 24 i  i  `* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?)29Michael S
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30 Nov 24 i  i    +* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?)22Michael S
1 Dec 24 i  i    i`* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?)21Anton Ertl
1 Dec 24 i  i    i `* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?)20Thomas Koenig
1 Dec 24 i  i    i  +* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses4David Schultz
1 Dec 24 i  i    i  i`* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses3Thomas Koenig
4 Dec 24 i  i    i  i `* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses2MitchAlsup1
4 Dec 24 i  i    i  i  `- Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses1John Levine
1 Dec 24 i  i    i  `* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?)15Tim Rentsch
1 Dec 24 i  i    i   +* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?)12Thomas Koenig
1 Dec 24 i  i    i   i+- Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?)1Michael S
1 Dec 24 i  i    i   i+- Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?)1Brett
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28 Jan 25 i  i    i   i       `* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses2David Brown
2 Feb 25 i  i    i   i        `- Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses1Thomas Koenig
2 Dec 24 i  i    i   `* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses2Terje Mathisen
31 Dec 24 i  i    i    `- Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses1Tim Rentsch
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1 Dec 24 i  i     `- Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?)1Anton Ertl
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2 Dec 24 i  i`* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses33MitchAlsup1
2 Dec 24 i  i `* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses32Chris M. Thomasson
3 Dec 24 i  i  `* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses31Chris M. Thomasson
3 Dec 24 i  i   `* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses30Stefan Monnier
3 Dec 24 i  i    +* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses27John Levine
3 Dec 24 i  i    i+* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses24Stefan Monnier
4 Dec 24 i  i    ii`* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses23John Levine
4 Dec 24 i  i    ii `* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses22Stefan Monnier
4 Dec 24 i  i    ii  +* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses19MitchAlsup1
4 Dec 24 i  i    ii  i+- Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses1Thomas Koenig
4 Dec 24 i  i    ii  i+* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses3Stefan Monnier
4 Dec 24 i  i    ii  ii+- Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses1MitchAlsup1
5 Dec 24 i  i    ii  ii`- Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses1Keith Thompson
5 Dec 24 i  i    ii  i+- Re: bytes, Keeping other stuff with addresses1John Levine
22 Dec 24 i  i    ii  i`* unaligned load/store (was: Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses)13Jonathan Thornburg
22 Dec 24 i  i    ii  i +* Re: unaligned load/store11MitchAlsup1
22 Dec 24 i  i    ii  i i+* Re: unaligned load/store4Thomas Koenig
22 Dec 24 i  i    ii  i ii+- Re: unaligned load/store1Anton Ertl
22 Dec 24 i  i    ii  i ii+- Re: unaligned load/store1John Dallman
23 Dec 24 i  i    ii  i ii`- Re: unaligned load/store1Chris M. Thomasson
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3 Dec 24 i  i    i`* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses2MitchAlsup1
4 Dec 24 i  i    i `- Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses1Chris M. Thomasson
4 Dec 24 i  i    `* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses2Chris M. Thomasson
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4 Dec 24 i  `* Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses2Keith Thompson
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28 Nov 24 i `* Re: What is an N-bit machine?14John Dallman
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29 Nov 24 i  i +- Re: IBM and Amdahl history (Re: What is an N-bit machine?)1Lynn Wheeler
29 Nov 24 i  i +- Re: IBM and Amdahl history (Re: What is an N-bit machine?)1Lynn Wheeler
29 Nov 24 i  i `* Re: IBM and Amdahl history (Re: What is an N-bit machine?)4Lawrence D'Oliveiro
30 Nov 24 i  i  `* Re: IBM and Amdahl history (Re: What is an N-bit machine?)3Anton Ertl
30 Nov 24 i  i   +- Re: IBM and Amdahl history (Re: What is an N-bit machine?)1John Dallman
1 Dec 24 i  i   `- Re: IBM and Amdahl history (Re: What is an N-bit machine?)1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
29 Nov 24 i  `* Re: What is an N-bit machine?4Lawrence D'Oliveiro
30 Nov 24 i   +- Re: What is an N-bit machine?1Brett
30 Nov 24 i   +- Re: market power, What is an N-bit machine?1John Levine
30 Nov 24 i   `- Re: What is an N-bit machine?1Lynn Wheeler
28 Nov 24 +- Re: What is an N-bit machine?1MitchAlsup1
28 Nov 24 +- Re: What is an N-bit machine?1Lynn Wheeler
29 Nov 24 `* Re: What is an N-bit machine?3Anton Ertl

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