Re: unaligned load/store

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Sujet : Re: unaligned load/store
De : tkoenig (at) *nospam* netcologne.de (Thomas Koenig)
Groupes : comp.arch
Date : 22. Dec 2024, 11:01:48
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MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> schrieb:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 23:22:35 +0000, Jonathan Thornburg wrote:

Any competent programmer will ALIGN his data to the extend possible
there is no reason to penalize {Compiler, assembler, linker, ld.so,...}
just because you want to take 5 days out of design.

These days, the competence of many programmers can be called into
question :-)

ABIs, however, generally require natural alignment for types, so
the point is somehwat moot, at least where user code is concerned.
Consider

typedef struct
{
  unsigned char a;
  unsigned long b;
} mytype;

unsigned long add (mytype *x)
{
  return x->a + x->b;
}

which gets translated into

        ldub    r2,[r1]
        ldd     r1,[r1,8]
        add     r1,r1,r2
        ret

so the cost for the tool chain is already spent (or is spent
again and again if people use structs like the above).  I think
the VAX was the last major architecture which specified unaligned
struct access.

On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 23:22:35 +0000, Jonathan Thornburg wrote:

So yes, allowing unaligned access does help "dusty deck" Fortran code...
but it comes at a significant cost.

Fortran compilers, even on machines which allow misalignment, use
ABIs which specify alignment for COMMON blocks, in violation of
the Fortran standard.  They usually have a flag for when the
user actually needs to have no padding.

Code which which would not work with padding would have to be dusty
indeed (fossilized?) if it used COMMON blocks that way.  It would
never have run on early RISCs, so it would likely have had a time
of non-use in the 1990s when RISCs ruled in price/performance
after mainframes and the VAX fell behind.

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