Sujet : Re: Stacks, was Segments
De : johnl (at) *nospam* taugh.com (John Levine)
Groupes : comp.archDate : 18. Jan 2025, 20:41:56
Autres entêtes
Organisation : Taughannock Networks
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References : 1 2 3 4
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According to Niklas Holsti <
niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid>:
Algol 60 only had stack allocation for dynamically sized arrays,
so stacks had to be as big as the data are.
Huh? Algol 60 routines could be mutually recursive so unless it was
a leaf procedure or the outer block, everything not declared "own"
went on the stack.
>
Mitch's point AIUI was that Algol 60 had no heap allocation (and no
explicit pointer types), so indeed all data were either on the stack or
statically allocated.
It sounded to me like he said that dynamically sized arrays were on the
stack, nothing else was. I think we agree that everything but "own"
is on the stack.
Algol 60 did need a heap because own arrays could have variable size.
That wasn't an accident since sec 5.2.2 shows an example of a variable
size own array. I suspect they didn't realize the implications both
of resizing non-stack data, and what happens in an upper level call
if a lower level call resizes the array underneath it.
It wasn't the only mistake like that. Alan Perlis told me that they
intended call by name to be an elegantly phrased definition of call
by reference, and it wasn't until Jensen's device that they realized what
they had actually done.
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1 Oct 24 |  Re: Whether something is RISC or not (Re: PDP-8 theology, not Concertina II Progress) | 386 | | Thomas Koenig |
1 Oct 24 |   Re: Whether something is RISC or not (Re: PDP-8 theology, not Concertina II Progress) | 379 | | MitchAlsup1 |
2 Oct 24 |    Re: Whether something is RISC or not (Re: PDP-8 theology, not Concertina II Progress) | 377 | | Brett |
3 Oct 24 |     Re: Whether something is RISC or not (Re: PDP-8 theology, not Concertina II Progress) | 376 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
3 Oct 24 |      Re: Whether something is RISC or not (Re: PDP-8 theology, not Concertina II Progress) | 1 | | Brett |
3 Oct 24 |      Re: Whether something is RISC or not (Re: PDP-8 theology, not Concertina II Progress) | 1 | | Anton Ertl |
3 Oct 24 |      Re: Whether something is RISC or not (Re: PDP-8 theology, not Concertina II Progress) | 373 | | David Brown |
3 Oct 24 |       Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 372 | | Anton Ertl |
3 Oct 24 |        Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 1 | | David Brown |
3 Oct 24 |        Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 369 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
4 Oct 24 |         Re: Byte ordering | 1 | | Lynn Wheeler |
4 Oct 24 |         Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 365 | | David Brown |
4 Oct 24 |          Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 364 | | Anton Ertl |
4 Oct 24 |           Re: Byte ordering | 5 | | BGB |
5 Oct 24 |            Re: Byte ordering | 4 | | MitchAlsup1 |
5 Oct 24 |             Re: Byte ordering | 2 | | BGB |
5 Oct 24 |              Re: Byte ordering | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
5 Oct 24 |             Re: Byte ordering | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
5 Oct 24 |           Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 13 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
5 Oct 24 |            Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 12 | | Brett |
5 Oct 24 |             Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 11 | | Anton Ertl |
5 Oct 24 |              Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 10 | | Michael S |
6 Oct 24 |               Re: Byte ordering | 1 | | Terje Mathisen |
6 Oct 24 |               Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 8 | | Brett |
7 Oct 24 |                Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 7 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
7 Oct 24 |                 Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 6 | | Brett |
7 Oct 24 |                  Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 5 | | Michael S |
7 Oct 24 |                   Re: Byte ordering | 2 | | Stefan Monnier |
7 Oct 24 |                    Re: Byte ordering | 1 | | Michael S |
7 Oct 24 |                   Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 2 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
8 Oct 24 |                    Re: Byte ordering | 1 | | Terje Mathisen |
6 Oct 24 |           Re: Byte ordering | 345 | | David Brown |
6 Oct 24 |            Re: Byte ordering | 344 | | Anton Ertl |
6 Oct 24 |             Re: Byte ordering | 189 | | John Dallman |
7 Oct 24 |              Re: Byte ordering | 20 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
8 Oct 24 |               Re: Byte ordering | 19 | | John Dallman |
9 Oct 24 |                VMS/NT memory management (was: Byte ordering) | 1 | | Stefan Monnier |
15 Oct 24 |                Re: Byte ordering | 2 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
15 Oct 24 |                 Re: Byte ordering | 1 | | MitchAlsup1 |
15 Oct 24 |                Re: Byte ordering | 15 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
15 Oct 24 |                 Re: Byte ordering | 3 | | Michael S |
15 Oct 24 |                  Re: Byte ordering | 1 | | John Dallman |
18 Oct 24 |                  Re: Byte ordering | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
15 Oct 24 |                 Re: Byte ordering | 9 | | John Dallman |
16 Oct 24 |                  Re: Byte ordering | 7 | | George Neuner |
16 Oct 24 |                   Re: Byte ordering | 6 | | Terje Mathisen |
16 Oct 24 |                    Re: Byte ordering | 5 | | David Brown |
17 Oct 24 |                     Re: Byte ordering | 2 | | George Neuner |
17 Oct 24 |                      Re: Byte ordering | 1 | | David Brown |
17 Oct 24 |                     Re: clouds, not Byte ordering | 2 | | John Levine |
17 Oct 24 |                      Re: clouds, not Byte ordering | 1 | | David Brown |
18 Oct 24 |                  Re: Byte ordering | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
16 Oct 24 |                 Re: Byte ordering | 2 | | Paul A. Clayton |
18 Oct 24 |                  Re: Microkernels & Capabilities (was Re: Byte ordering) | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
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7 Oct 24 |               Re: 80286 protected mode | 5 | | Lars Poulsen |
7 Oct 24 |                Re: 80286 protected mode | 4 | | Terje Mathisen |
7 Oct 24 |                 Re: 80286 protected mode | 1 | | Michael S |
7 Oct 24 |                 Re: 80286 protected mode | 2 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
8 Oct 24 |                  Re: 80286 protected mode | 1 | | Terje Mathisen |
7 Oct 24 |               Re: 80286 protected mode | 3 | | Brett |
7 Oct 24 |                Re: 80286 protected mode | 2 | | Michael S |
7 Oct 24 |                 Re: 80286 protected mode | 1 | | Brett |
7 Oct 24 |               Re: 80286 protected mode | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
8 Oct 24 |               Re: 80286 protected mode | 152 | | MitchAlsup1 |
8 Oct 24 |                Re: 80286 protected mode | 4 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
8 Oct 24 |                 Re: 80286 protected mode | 3 | | MitchAlsup1 |
9 Oct 24 |                  Re: 80286 protected mode | 1 | | David Brown |
15 Oct 24 |                  Re: 80286 protected mode | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
8 Oct 24 |                Re: 80286 protected mode | 147 | | Anton Ertl |
8 Oct 24 |                 Re: 80286 protected mode | 1 | | Robert Finch |
9 Oct 24 |                 Re: 80286 protected mode | 145 | | David Brown |
9 Oct 24 |                  Re: 80286 protected mode | 79 | | MitchAlsup1 |
9 Oct 24 |                   Re: 80286 protected mode | 78 | | David Brown |
9 Oct 24 |                    Re: 80286 protected mode | 77 | | Stephen Fuld |
10 Oct 24 |                     Re: 80286 protected mode | 2 | | MitchAlsup1 |
10 Oct 24 |                      Re: 80286 protected mode | 1 | | David Brown |
10 Oct 24 |                     Re: 80286 protected mode | 1 | | David Brown |
11 Oct 24 |                     Re: 80286 protected mode | 73 | | Tim Rentsch |
15 Oct 24 |                      Re: 80286 protected mode | 72 | | Stefan Monnier |
15 Oct 24 |                       Re: 80286 protected mode | 30 | | MitchAlsup1 |
16 Oct 24 |                        Re: 80286 protected mode | 25 | | MitchAlsup1 |
16 Oct 24 |                         Re: C and turtles, 80286 protected mode | 13 | | John Levine |
16 Oct 24 |                          Re: C and turtles, 80286 protected mode | 7 | | MitchAlsup1 |
16 Oct 24 |                           Re: C and turtles, 80286 protected mode | 6 | | John Levine |
17 Oct 24 |                            Re: C and turtles, 80286 protected mode | 5 | | Thomas Koenig |
20 Oct 24 |                             Re: C and turtles, 80286 protected mode | 4 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
20 Oct 24 |                              Re: C and turtles, 80286 protected mode | 3 | | George Neuner |
22 Oct 24 |                               Re: C and turtles, 80286 protected mode | 2 | | Tim Rentsch |
22 Oct 24 |                                Re: C and turtles, 80286 protected mode | 1 | | George Neuner |
16 Oct 24 |                          Re: C and turtles, 80286 protected mode | 1 | | David Brown |
16 Oct 24 |                          Re: C and turtles, 80286 protected mode | 4 | | Paul A. Clayton |
17 Oct 24 |                           Re: C and turtles, 80286 protected mode | 1 | | David Brown |
20 Oct 24 |                           Re: C and turtles, 80286 protected mode | 2 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
20 Oct 24 |                            Re: C and turtles, 80286 protected mode | 1 | | Paul A. Clayton |
16 Oct 24 |                         Re: 80286 protected mode | 7 | | Thomas Koenig |
16 Oct 24 |                          Re: 80286 protected mode | 2 | | MitchAlsup1 |
17 Oct 24 |                           Re: 80286 protected mode | 1 | | Tim Rentsch |
17 Oct 24 |                          Re: 80286 protected mode | 4 | | Tim Rentsch |
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17 Oct 24 |                         Re: 80286 protected mode | 3 | | George Neuner |
17 Oct 24 |                         Re: 80286 protected mode | 1 | | Tim Rentsch |
16 Oct 24 |                        Re: 80286 protected mode | 3 | | David Brown |
17 Oct 24 |                        Re: 80286 protected mode | 1 | | Tim Rentsch |
16 Oct 24 |                       Re: 80286 protected mode | 41 | | David Brown |
9 Oct 24 |                  Re: 80286 protected mode | 51 | | Thomas Koenig |
13 Oct 24 |                  Re: 80286 protected mode | 14 | | Anton Ertl |
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3 Oct 24 |        Re: Byte ordering (was: Whether something is RISC or not) | 1 | | John Dallman |
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3 Oct 24 |   Re: Whether something is RISC or not (Re: PDP-8 theology, not Concertina II Progress) | 1 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |