Software synchronization (was: Re: MSI interrupts)

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Sujet : Software synchronization (was: Re: MSI interrupts)
De : cross (at) *nospam* spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Groupes : comp.arch
Date : 31. Mar 2025, 15:42:00
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In article <vsd9ak$3e0u4$1@dont-email.me>,
Robert Finch  <robfi680@gmail.com> wrote:
[Big snip]
Having some trouble following the discussion as I do not have a lot of
experience working with software threads. I know they need
synchronization means.
>
Are you talking about two different kinds of “threads”? RISCV at least
refers to ‘harts’ which I think stands for hardware threads. A CPU core
may support multiple harts, which implies multiple copies of the
processor state. In a multi-core system there could be multiple harts
even though each core is only supporting a single one. I am under the
impression hardware and software threads are not the same thing.
I hope I got the lingo correct.

Throughout this discussion, I have been using the terms
"processor", "core", and "CPU" to refer to what Intel calls a
"logical processor", which may be a core, or a thread in an SMT
configuration.  RISC-V "harts" are basically the same thing as
x86 LPs.

The way to think about this from the software perspective is
that (software) threads are a unit of logical concurrency, while
hardware threads (or cores, processors, whatever) are units of
physical parallelism.  Note that concurrency and parallelism are
two different things: one can have concurrent programs running
on a uniprocessor system.  Here, for example, is a talk from Rob
Pike where he discusses this in the context of the Go
programming language: https://go.dev/blog/waza-talk.

For a more formal treatment of the subject, consider:
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/academic/class/15210-f15/www/tapp.html#_parallelism_versus_concurrency
though this is a bit more approachable:
https://existentialtype.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/parallelism-is-not-concurrency/

Note, however, that concurrency is not required for pallelism,
as Leiserson notes here:
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~guyb/spaa/2012/workshop/leiserson-talk.pdf

- Dan C.


Date Sujet#  Auteur
13 Mar 25 * MSI interrupts163Robert Finch
13 Mar 25 `* Re: MSI interrupts162MitchAlsup1
13 Mar 25  +* Re: MSI interrupts5Robert Finch
13 Mar 25  i+- Re: MSI interrupts1MitchAlsup1
13 Mar 25  i`* Re: MSI interrupts3Robert Finch
13 Mar 25  i +- Re: MSI interrupts1MitchAlsup1
13 Mar 25  i `- Re: MSI interrupts1Stefan Monnier
13 Mar 25  `* Re: MSI interrupts156MitchAlsup1
13 Mar 25   `* Re: MSI interrupts155MitchAlsup1
14 Mar 25    `* Re: MSI interrupts154MitchAlsup1
14 Mar 25     `* Re: MSI interrupts153MitchAlsup1
14 Mar 25      `* Re: MSI interrupts152MitchAlsup1
15 Mar 25       `* Re: MSI interrupts151Robert Finch
15 Mar 25        `* Re: MSI interrupts150MitchAlsup1
15 Mar 25         `* Re: MSI interrupts149Robert Finch
15 Mar 25          `* Re: MSI interrupts148MitchAlsup1
16 Mar 25           `* Re: MSI interrupts147Robert Finch
16 Mar 25            +- Re: MSI interrupts1MitchAlsup1
17 Mar 25            +* Re: MSI interrupts142Michael S
17 Mar 25            i+- Re: MSI interrupts1Robert Finch
17 Mar 25            i+* Re: MSI interrupts133Robert Finch
18 Mar 25            ii+* Re: MSI interrupts127Robert Finch
19 Mar 25            iii+* Re: MSI interrupts124MitchAlsup1
19 Mar 25            iiii+* Re: MSI interrupts121Dan Cross
19 Mar 25            iiiii+* Re: MSI interrupts112MitchAlsup1
20 Mar 25            iiiiii`* Re: MSI interrupts111Dan Cross
20 Mar 25            iiiiii `* Re: MSI interrupts110MitchAlsup1
20 Mar 25            iiiiii  `* Re: MSI interrupts109Dan Cross
20 Mar 25            iiiiii   +* Re: MSI interrupts31MitchAlsup1
24 Mar 25            iiiiii   i`* Re: MSI interrupts30Dan Cross
24 Mar 25            iiiiii   i +* Re: MSI interrupts20MitchAlsup1
24 Mar 25            iiiiii   i i+* Re: MSI interrupts18Stefan Monnier
24 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii`* Re: MSI interrupts17MitchAlsup1
24 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii `* Re: MSI interrupts16Dan Cross
24 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii  +* Re: MSI interrupts8MitchAlsup1
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii  i`* Re: MSI interrupts7Dan Cross
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii  i `* Re: MSI interrupts6Dan Cross
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii  i  `* Re: MSI interrupts5Stefan Monnier
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii  i   +- Re: MSI interrupts1Stefan Monnier
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii  i   +- Re: MSI interrupts1Dan Cross
27 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii  i   `* Re: MSI interrupts2Terje Mathisen
27 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii  i    `- Re: MSI interrupts1MitchAlsup1
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii  `* Re: MSI interrupts7Chris M. Thomasson
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii   `* Re: MSI interrupts6Dan Cross
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii    `* Re: MSI interrupts5Chris M. Thomasson
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii     `* Re: MSI interrupts4Dan Cross
26 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii      `* Re: MSI interrupts3Chris M. Thomasson
26 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii       `* Re: MSI interrupts2Dan Cross
26 Mar 25            iiiiii   i ii        `- Re: MSI interrupts1Chris M. Thomasson
24 Mar 25            iiiiii   i i`- Re: MSI interrupts1Dan Cross
24 Mar 25            iiiiii   i +- Re: MSI interrupts1MitchAlsup1
24 Mar 25            iiiiii   i `* Re: MSI interrupts8Dan Cross
24 Mar 25            iiiiii   i  `* Re: MSI interrupts7Chris M. Thomasson
24 Mar 25            iiiiii   i   `* Re: MSI interrupts6Dan Cross
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i    `* Re: MSI interrupts5Chris M. Thomasson
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i     +* Re: MSI interrupts2Chris M. Thomasson
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i     i`- Re: MSI interrupts1Dan Cross
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i     `* Re: MSI interrupts2Dan Cross
25 Mar 25            iiiiii   i      `- Re: MSI interrupts1Chris M. Thomasson
24 Mar 25            iiiiii   +- Re: MSI interrupts1Chris M. Thomasson
24 Mar 25            iiiiii   `* Re: MSI interrupts76Dan Cross
24 Mar 25            iiiiii    +* Re: MSI interrupts57MitchAlsup1
25 Mar 25            iiiiii    i`* Re: MSI interrupts56Dan Cross
25 Mar 25            iiiiii    i `* Re: MSI interrupts55MitchAlsup1
25 Mar 25            iiiiii    i  +* Re: MSI interrupts2Stefan Monnier
25 Mar 25            iiiiii    i  i`- Re: MSI interrupts1Chris M. Thomasson
25 Mar 25            iiiiii    i  +- Re: MSI interrupts1Dan Cross
25 Mar 25            iiiiii    i  `* Re: MSI interrupts51MitchAlsup1
25 Mar 25            iiiiii    i   `* Re: MSI interrupts50Dan Cross
25 Mar 25            iiiiii    i    `* Re: MSI interrupts49MitchAlsup1
25 Mar 25            iiiiii    i     `* Re: MSI interrupts48Dan Cross
25 Mar 25            iiiiii    i      `* Re: MSI interrupts47MitchAlsup1
25 Mar 25            iiiiii    i       `* Re: MSI interrupts46Dan Cross
25 Mar 25            iiiiii    i        +* Re: MSI interrupts8Stefan Monnier
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i        i+* Re: MSI interrupts5Dan Cross
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i        ii`* Re: MSI interrupts4Stefan Monnier
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i        ii +- Re: MSI interrupts1Dan Cross
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i        ii `* Re: MSI interrupts2MitchAlsup1
27 Mar 25            iiiiii    i        ii  `- Re: MSI interrupts1Stefan Monnier
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i        i+- Re: MSI interrupts1Chris M. Thomasson
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i        i`- Re: MSI interrupts1MitchAlsup1
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i        `* Re: MSI interrupts37MitchAlsup1
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i         `* Re: MSI interrupts36Dan Cross
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i          +* Re: MSI interrupts4Stefan Monnier
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i          i`* Re: MSI interrupts3Dan Cross
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i          i `* Re: MSI interrupts2Chris M. Thomasson
4 Apr 25            iiiiii    i          i  `- Re: MSI interrupts1Chris M. Thomasson
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i          `* Re: MSI interrupts31MitchAlsup1
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i           +- Re: MSI interrupts1Stefan Monnier
26 Mar 25            iiiiii    i           +* Re: MSI interrupts2Stefan Monnier
27 Mar 25            iiiiii    i           i`- Re: MSI interrupts1MitchAlsup1
27 Mar 25            iiiiii    i           +* Re: MSI interrupts3MitchAlsup1
27 Mar 25            iiiiii    i           i`* Re: MSI interrupts2MitchAlsup1
27 Mar 25            iiiiii    i           i `- Re: MSI interrupts1Dan Cross
27 Mar 25            iiiiii    i           `* Re: MSI interrupts24Dan Cross
27 Mar 25            iiiiii    i            +* Re: MSI interrupts2Stefan Monnier
27 Mar 25            iiiiii    i            i`- Re: MSI interrupts1Dan Cross
27 Mar 25            iiiiii    i            +* Re: MSI interrupts12MitchAlsup1
28 Mar 25            iiiiii    i            i`* Re: MSI interrupts11Dan Cross
28 Mar 25            iiiiii    i            i +- Re: MSI interrupts1MitchAlsup1
28 Mar 25            iiiiii    i            i +* Re: MSI interrupts5MitchAlsup1
28 Mar 25            iiiiii    i            i +* Re: MSI interrupts2Stefan Monnier
28 Mar 25            iiiiii    i            i `* Re: MSI interrupts2Chris M. Thomasson
27 Mar 25            iiiiii    i            `* Re: MSI interrupts9MitchAlsup1
25 Mar 25            iiiiii    `* Re: MSI interrupts18Dan Cross
20 Mar 25            iiiii`* Re: MSI interrupts8MitchAlsup1
19 Mar 25            iiii`* Re: MSI interrupts2MitchAlsup1
19 Mar 25            iii`* Re: MSI interrupts2Robert Finch
18 Mar 25            ii`* Re: MSI interrupts5MitchAlsup1
17 Mar 25            i`* Re: MSI interrupts7MitchAlsup1
17 Mar 25            `* Re: MSI interrupts3Robert Finch

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