Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers

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Sujet : Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers
De : already5chosen (at) *nospam* yahoo.com (Michael S)
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Date : 18. May 2025, 16:23:03
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On Sun, 18 May 2025 05:46:37 -0000 (UTC)
Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:

MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> schrieb:
Did the book relate the story of why CRAY-1 presented a DC-load to
the power supply:: that is, the ECL gates were all of the form where
they would switch 20 ma into either the true or the complement out-
put and thus have no AC energy at the power supply level ?? 
 
That they didn't mention.  They stressed his decision to build
a machine which had good all-round performance, unlike the
predecessors like the STAR or the Texas Instruments ASC (which I
had never heard or read of).
>

May be, that aspect of CRAY-1 was different from STAR and ASC, but not
different from CDC 6600 or 7600 or from top models of Cyber-170 series.

There was one part on the Cray-I design that I found weird.  After
writing that individual transistors would have been faster than
integrated circuits, but were chosen for density and manufacture,
they wrote
 

That part sounds correct. Logic ICs used in Cray-1 were indeed slower
than contemporary individual transistors.

"Concerning memory, as in the case of the CPU, Cray did not
choose the fastest individual components, which would have
been magnetic cores" due to their limitations in size.
 

That part does not sound right. CRAY-1  main memory was made of SRAM
with 48 ns access time. That was 4-5 times faster than contemporary
core memories. Plus, it didn't suffer from destructive read.
One part that is true is that faster and less dense memory components
were available, but they were SRAM as well.

What they also describe well is the tradeoff between different
vector lengths.  Also very interesting is the mechanisms of getting
the machines adopted by different industries.





Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 May21:00 * The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers45Thomas Koenig
17 May22:27 `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers44MitchAlsup1
18 May06:46  +* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers33Thomas Koenig
18 May16:23  i`* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers32Michael S
18 May23:02  i +- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1MitchAlsup1
19 May02:08  i `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers30quadibloc
19 May02:56  i  `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers29Lawrence D'Oliveiro
19 May04:12  i   +* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers17quadibloc
19 May07:22  i   i+* OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)15Anton Ertl
19 May18:10  i   ii+* Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)8John Levine
19 May18:46  i   iii`* Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)7Anton Ertl
19 May20:09  i   iii +* Re: OoO execution3Ze
20 May01:04  i   iii i`* Re: OoO execution2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 May01:30  i   iii i `- Re: OoO execution1MitchAlsup1
21 May17:52  i   iii `* Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)3George Neuner
21 May18:14  i   iii  +- Re: OoO execution1Stefan Monnier
21 May18:47  i   iii  `- Re: OoO execution1moi
19 May20:08  i   ii+* Re: OoO execution3quadibloc
19 May21:04  i   iii`* Re: OoO execution2Terje Mathisen
19 May21:27  i   iii `- Re: OoO execution1Michael S
19 May21:41  i   ii`* Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)3Michael S
20 May01:01  i   ii +- Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 May22:21  i   ii `- Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)1Anton Ertl
19 May08:50  i   i`- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
19 May14:55  i   `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers11Michael S
20 May00:58  i    `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers10Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 May11:45  i     `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers9Michael S
20 May17:59  i      +- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1MitchAlsup1
20 May20:59  i      `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers7John Levine
20 May23:48  i       +- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1MitchAlsup1
21 May09:21  i       `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers5Michael S
21 May09:44  i        +- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 May17:09  i        `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers3John Levine
21 May18:11  i         `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers2Michael S
21 May21:04  i          `- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1John Levine
18 May09:33  `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers10Michael S
18 May23:01   `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers9MitchAlsup1
19 May14:35    `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers8Michael S
19 May17:49     +- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1Al Kossow
19 May19:14     `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers6MitchAlsup1
19 May21:11      +* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers2Michael S
20 May07:36      i`- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1BGB
20 May06:40      `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 May17:58       `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers2MitchAlsup1
21 May01:28        `- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1Lawrence D'Oliveiro

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