Sujet : Re: Is Parallel Programming Hard, And, If So, What Can You Do About It?
De : sfuld (at) *nospam* alumni.cmu.edu.invalid (Stephen Fuld)
Groupes : comp.archDate : 21. May 2025, 04:58:53
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On 5/20/2025 8:46 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 20:08:28 -0500, BGB wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:29 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
If it were just I/O buffers for operations in progress, that would be
fine. The problem is when it keeps data around instead of immediately
writing it out, and what’s worse, lies about it, so it tells the OS
that the write has completed when it hasn’t.
>
Note that (with SATA and similar) the OS can request that the drive
flush its caches, and (in theory) drive should not respond to more
requests until everything has been fully written back to disk.
I mentioned elsewhere that a special function was added that was supposed
to mean “really flush your caches dammit”.
But there is still no way to tell that the drive really does what you
demand that it do, and isn’t still lying about it ...
Sure there is. Just do a small write to a random location and time it. repeat several times to assure consistent results.
Besides, if a disk vendor was foolish enough to not follow the spec and not document that fact, customers would soon find out and that would ruin that vendor's reputation. They wouldn't risk it.
-- - Stephen Fuld(e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)
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