Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers

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Sujet : Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers
De : johnl (at) *nospam* taugh.com (John Levine)
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Date : 21. May 2025, 17:09:13
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According to Michael S  <already5chosen@yahoo.com>:
According to Michael S  <already5chosen@yahoo.com>:
At time of introduction CDC 6600 was undoubtedly much faster both
than older [more expensive] IBM 7030 and than contemporary
[significantly less expensive] S/360 Model 50. But it was not
"orders of magnitude faster". Not even one order of magnitude
faster, except, may be, vs Model 50 in artificial very memory-light
floating-point intensive scenarios.
High end S/360 (Model 65) came about half a year later. I would
imagine that for non-floating-point code it had about the same speed
as 6600. 
 
Those 360 models seem wrong.  The 360/50 was a midrange machine that
shipped in August 1965, the /65 was a large machine that shipped
in November 1964,
>
Do you mean, November 1965?

Yes, of course, I can't type.

and the 360/75 was a high end machine that
shipped in January 1966.  They were all announced at the same
time, give or take IBM's replacing the paper 60 and 70 with the
faster 65 and 75.
>
Sorry, I did not read Wikipedia articles about /50 and /65 with
sufficient attention and confused announcement with shipment. Didn't
realize that for /50 the time between announcement and shipment was
much longer than for /65.

With that correction, only three months which doesn't seem like much. The
physical planning for power and cooling and raised floors and such to be ready
for delivery would take longer than that.

W.r.t. CDC 6600 Wikipedia article does not state an exact date of the
1st shipment at all, just saying that it was in 1965.

Says here late 1964. It was a huge embarassment to IBM. I imagine a large part
of that was that it blew up IBM's longstanding belief that you had to make a
computer really complicated to make it fast, viz. STRETCH and 360/91. 

https://mncomputinghistory.com/control-data-corporation/

IBM sort of came around to that with the 360/44, which implemented a scientific
subset of the 360's instruction set and ran nearly as fast as a /65. It was
intended for process control so they added priority interrupts and some real
time I/O.
--
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Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 May21:00 * The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers45Thomas Koenig
17 May22:27 `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers44MitchAlsup1
18 May06:46  +* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers33Thomas Koenig
18 May16:23  i`* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers32Michael S
18 May23:02  i +- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1MitchAlsup1
19 May02:08  i `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers30quadibloc
19 May02:56  i  `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers29Lawrence D'Oliveiro
19 May04:12  i   +* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers17quadibloc
19 May07:22  i   i+* OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)15Anton Ertl
19 May18:10  i   ii+* Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)8John Levine
19 May18:46  i   iii`* Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)7Anton Ertl
19 May20:09  i   iii +* Re: OoO execution3Ze
20 May01:04  i   iii i`* Re: OoO execution2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 May01:30  i   iii i `- Re: OoO execution1MitchAlsup1
21 May17:52  i   iii `* Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)3George Neuner
21 May18:14  i   iii  +- Re: OoO execution1Stefan Monnier
21 May18:47  i   iii  `- Re: OoO execution1moi
19 May20:08  i   ii+* Re: OoO execution3quadibloc
19 May21:04  i   iii`* Re: OoO execution2Terje Mathisen
19 May21:27  i   iii `- Re: OoO execution1Michael S
19 May21:41  i   ii`* Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)3Michael S
20 May01:01  i   ii +- Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 May22:21  i   ii `- Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers)1Anton Ertl
19 May08:50  i   i`- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
19 May14:55  i   `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers11Michael S
20 May00:58  i    `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers10Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 May11:45  i     `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers9Michael S
20 May17:59  i      +- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1MitchAlsup1
20 May20:59  i      `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers7John Levine
20 May23:48  i       +- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1MitchAlsup1
21 May09:21  i       `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers5Michael S
21 May09:44  i        +- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 May17:09  i        `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers3John Levine
21 May18:11  i         `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers2Michael S
21 May21:04  i          `- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1John Levine
18 May09:33  `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers10Michael S
18 May23:01   `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers9MitchAlsup1
19 May14:35    `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers8Michael S
19 May17:49     +- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1Al Kossow
19 May19:14     `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers6MitchAlsup1
19 May21:11      +* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers2Michael S
20 May07:36      i`- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1BGB
20 May06:40      `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 May17:58       `* Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers2MitchAlsup1
21 May01:28        `- Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers1Lawrence D'Oliveiro

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