Sujet : Re: Why I've Dropped In
De : mitchalsup (at) *nospam* aol.com (MitchAlsup1)
Groupes : comp.archDate : 11. Jun 2025, 20:16:29
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 17:34:54 +0000, quadibloc wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:49:06 +0000, MitchAlsup1 wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 14:12:04 +0000, quadibloc wrote:
>
Therefore, I reduced the index register and base register fields to
three bits each, using only some of the 32 integer registers for those
purposes.
>
This is going to hurt register allocation.
>
Yes. It will. Unfortunately.
>
Basically, as should be apparent by now, my overriding goal in defining
the Concertina II architecture - and its predecessor as well - was to
make it "just as good", or at least "just _about_ as good", as both the
68020 and the IBM System/360.
>
This meant that I had to be able to fit base plus index plus
displacement into 32 bits, since the System/360 did that, and I had to
have 16-bit displacements because the 68020, and indeed x86 and most
microprocessors did that.
There is enough evidence that 12-bit positive displacement (/360 model)
is insufficient for modern applications, that I was surprised the RISC-V
went in that direction. EMBench has many subroutines with more than 4K
of stack variables that cause RISC-V to emit a LUI just to set the 12th
or 13th bit and access. SPARC had enough problems with 13-bits that any-
one with their ear to the rail should have heard the consternation.
And I had to have register-to-register operate instructions that fit
into only 16 bits. Because the System/360 had them, and indeed so do
many microprocessors.
>
Otherwise, my ISA would be clearly and demonstrably inferior. Where I
couldn't attain a full match, I tried to be at least "almost" as good.
So either my 16-bit operate instructions have to come in pairs, and have
a very restricted set of operations, or they require the overhead of a
block header. I couldn't attain the goal of matching the S/360
completely, but at least I stayed close.
>
So while having 32 registers like a RISC, I ended up having some
purposes for which I could only use a set of eight registers. Not great,
but it was the tradeoff that was left to me given the choice I made.
>
So here it is - an ISA that offers RISC-like simplicity of decoding, but
an instruction set that approaches CISC in code compactness - and which
offers a choice of RISC, CISC, or VLIW programming styles. Which may
lead to VLIW speed and efficiency on suitable implementations.
>
John Savard
Date | Sujet | # | | Auteur |
19 May 25 | Why I've Dropped In | 423 | | quadibloc |
19 May 25 |  Re: Why I've Dropped In | 355 | | quadibloc |
21 May 25 |   Re: Why I've Dropped In | 354 | | quadibloc |
22 May 25 |    Re: Why I've Dropped In | 11 | | David Chmelik |
22 May 25 |     Re: Why I've Dropped In | 2 | | MitchAlsup1 |
23 May 25 |      Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | MitchAlsup1 |
10 Jun 25 |     Re: Why I've Dropped In | 8 | | quadibloc |
11 Jun 25 |      Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | BGB |
11 Jun 25 |      Re: Why I've Dropped In | 6 | | quadibloc |
11 Jun 25 |       Re: Why I've Dropped In | 4 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
12 Jun 25 |        Re: Why I've Dropped In | 3 | | quadibloc |
12 Jun 25 |         Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
16 Jun 25 |         Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
12 Jun 25 |       Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | quadibloc |
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11 Jun 25 |     Re: Why I've Dropped In | 322 | | Thomas Koenig |
11 Jun 25 |      Re: Why I've Dropped In | 23 | | BGB |
11 Jun 25 |       Re: Why I've Dropped In | 8 | | MitchAlsup1 |
11 Jun 25 |        Re: Why I've Dropped In | 7 | | BGB |
12 Jun 25 |         Re: Why I've Dropped In | 6 | | MitchAlsup1 |
12 Jun 25 |          Re: Why I've Dropped In | 5 | | BGB |
13 Jun 25 |           Re: Why I've Dropped In | 4 | | MitchAlsup1 |
15 Jun 25 |            Re: Why I've Dropped In | 3 | | BGB |
15 Jun 25 |             Re: Why I've Dropped In | 2 | | MitchAlsup1 |
15 Jun 25 |              Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | BGB |
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11 Jun 25 |        Re: Why I've Dropped In | 6 | | MitchAlsup1 |
12 Jun 25 |         Re: Why I've Dropped In | 5 | | MitchAlsup1 |
12 Jun 25 |          Re: Why I've Dropped In | 4 | | Anton Ertl |
12 Jun 25 |           Re: Why I've Dropped In | 2 | | MitchAlsup1 |
20 Jun 25 |            Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | Anton Ertl |
12 Jun 25 |           Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | Thomas Koenig |
11 Jun 25 |        Re: Why I've Dropped In | 3 | | BGB |
12 Jun 25 |         Re: Why I've Dropped In | 2 | | Anton Ertl |
12 Jun 25 |          Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | BGB |
20 Jun 25 |       Re: Why I've Dropped In | 4 | | quadibloc |
20 Jun 25 |        Re: Why I've Dropped In | 3 | | MitchAlsup1 |
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11 Jun 25 |       Re: Why I've Dropped In | 19 | | MitchAlsup1 |
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11 Jun 25 |         Re: Why I've Dropped In | 2 | | MitchAlsup1 |
14 Jun 25 |          Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | BGB |
16 Jun 25 |        Re: Why I've Dropped In | 15 | | Stefan Monnier |
17 Jun 25 |         Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | quadibloc |
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17 Jun 25 |          Re: Why I've Dropped In | 12 | | MitchAlsup1 |
17 Jun 25 |           Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | Stephen Fuld |
17 Jun 25 |           Re: Why I've Dropped In | 10 | | Stefan Monnier |
17 Jun 25 |            Re: Why I've Dropped In | 6 | | MitchAlsup1 |
17 Jun 25 |             Re: Why I've Dropped In | 5 | | Stefan Monnier |
18 Jun 25 |              Re: Why I've Dropped In | 4 | | Anton Ertl |
18 Jun 25 |               Re: Why I've Dropped In | 2 | | Stefan Monnier |
19 Jun 25 |                Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | Anton Ertl |
18 Jun 25 |               Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | BGB |
18 Jun 25 |            Re: Why I've Dropped In | 3 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
18 Jun 25 |             Re: Why I've Dropped In | 2 | | Stefan Monnier |
20 Jun 25 |              Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
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12 Jun 25 |        Re: Why I've Dropped In | 197 | | quadibloc |
12 Jun 25 |         Re: Why I've Dropped In | 193 | | Stephen Fuld |
13 Jun 25 |          Re: Why I've Dropped In | 54 | | quadibloc |
13 Jun 25 |           Re: Why I've Dropped In | 53 | | Stephen Fuld |
13 Jun 25 |            Re: Why I've Dropped In | 52 | | Thomas Koenig |
13 Jun 25 |             Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | quadibloc |
13 Jun 25 |             Re: Why I've Dropped In | 50 | | Stephen Fuld |
13 Jun 25 |              Re: Why I've Dropped In | 49 | | Thomas Koenig |
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13 Jun 25 |                Re: Why I've Dropped In | 19 | | Thomas Koenig |
13 Jun 25 |                 Re: Why I've Dropped In | 2 | | MitchAlsup1 |
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15 Jun 25 |                    Re: base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In | 9 | | MitchAlsup1 |
16 Jun 25 |                     Re: base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In | 7 | | Stephen Fuld |
16 Jun 25 |                      Re: base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In | 2 | | quadibloc |
16 Jun 25 |                       Re: base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | Stephen Fuld |
16 Jun 25 |                      Re: base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In | 4 | | MitchAlsup1 |
16 Jun 25 |                       Re: base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In | 3 | | Stephen Fuld |
16 Jun 25 |                        Re: base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In | 2 | | quadibloc |
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16 Jun 25 |                     Re: base and bounds, Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | quadibloc |
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14 Jun 25 |                Re: Why I've Dropped In | 25 | | Thomas Koenig |
14 Jun 25 |                 Re: Why I've Dropped In | 24 | | Stephen Fuld |
14 Jun 25 |                  Re: Why I've Dropped In | 3 | | Thomas Koenig |
14 Jun 25 |                   Re: Why I've Dropped In | 2 | | Stephen Fuld |
14 Jun 25 |                    Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | Thomas Koenig |
14 Jun 25 |                  Re: Why I've Dropped In | 14 | | Stephen Fuld |
14 Jun 25 |                   Re: Why I've Dropped In | 13 | | quadibloc |
14 Jun 25 |                    Re: Why I've Dropped In | 1 | | Stephen Fuld |
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