Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?

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De : bill.sloman (at) *nospam* ieee.org (Bill Sloman)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design comp.dsp
Date : 07. May 2025, 17:11:43
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On 8/05/2025 1:31 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2025-05-07 09:55, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2025 16:46:16 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
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On 2025-05-06 15:00, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 5/6/25 17:48, john larkin wrote:
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Once you have a lookup table, a sine is as easy as anything else, and
minimizes the demands on the DAC, filters and amplifiers.
>
I'm Spicing things and what I'm seeing in the FFT of my DAC output,
with the sawtooth, is giant subharmonics at some magic frequencies.
Those contribute the most period jitter.
 Right, those are the nasty ones I'm talking about.  They're smaller with a sine output, because the nasty tall spike (which contributes power quadratically) isn't there.  They're closer in and much smaller with higher resolution DACs, and go away entirely when the DAC has the full resolution of the accumulator, because what you have then is a correctly sampled sine wave.
Seems unlikely to be true. A DAC synthesises a staircase approximation to a sine wave, where the individual steps can be seen as sawtooth elements added onto the sine wave. The imperfections of the DAC make each little sawtooth a bit different from the next in amplitude, and the fact that the sine wave has a variable slope means that each sawtooth element has a different period.
They can't go away entirely. You can filter them out pretty effectively
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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Date Sujet#  Auteur
6 May 25 * DDS question: why sine lookup?45john larkin
6 May 25 +* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?9Jeroen Belleman
6 May 25 i+- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1john larkin
6 May 25 i`* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?7Phil Hobbs
6 May 25 i +* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?3john larkin
7 May 25 i i`* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?2john larkin
7 May 25 i i `- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1Bill Sloman
7 May 25 i `* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?3john larkin
7 May 25 i  `* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?2Phil Hobbs
7 May 25 i   `- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1Bill Sloman
6 May 25 +* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?3Gerhard Hoffmann
6 May 25 i+- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1Don
6 May 25 i`- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1john larkin
7 May 25 +- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1Bill Sloman
7 May 25 +* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?21Martin Brown
7 May 25 i`* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?20john larkin
8 May 25 i +* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?18bitrex
8 May 25 i i+* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?16john larkin
8 May 25 i ii+- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1Bill Sloman
8 May 25 i ii`* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?14Phil Hobbs
8 May 25 i ii `* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?13john larkin
8 May 25 i ii  `* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?12john larkin
8 May 25 i ii   `* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?11Phil Hobbs
9 May 25 i ii    +* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?9john larkin
9 May 25 i ii    i`* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?8piglet
9 May 25 i ii    i `* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?7john larkin
10 May 25 i ii    i  +- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1Bill Sloman
10 May 25 i ii    i  `* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?5Lasse Langwadt
11 May 25 i ii    i   +* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?2john larkin
11 May 25 i ii    i   i`- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1Phil Hobbs
11 May 25 i ii    i   `* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?2Bill Sloman
11 May 25 i ii    i    `- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1Lasse Langwadt
9 May 25 i ii    `- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1Bill Sloman
10 May 25 i i`- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
9 May 25 i `- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1Martin Brown
11 May 25 +- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1john larkin
14 May 25 `* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?9Waldek Hebisch
14 May 25  `* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?8Phil Hobbs
14 May 25   +- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1john larkin
14 May 25   `* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?6Waldek Hebisch
14 May 25    +* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?4john larkin
15 May 25    i`* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?3Phil Hobbs
15 May 25    i `* Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?2john larkin
15 May 25    i  `- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1Phil Hobbs
15 May 25    `- Re: DDS question: why sine lookup?1Bill Sloman

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