Re: Can D correctly simulated by H reach its own line 06 and halt?

On 5/21/2024 11:40 PM, Bonita Montero wrote:

Am 22.05.2024 um 06:37 schrieb olcott:

On 5/21/2024 11:29 PM, Bonita Montero wrote:

Am 21.05.2024 um 20:48 schrieb olcott:

On 5/21/2024 1:39 PM, Bonita Montero wrote:

Am 21.05.2024 um 20:24 schrieb olcott:

On 5/21/2024 1:13 PM, Bonita Montero wrote:

Am 21.05.2024 um 20:09 schrieb olcott:

On 5/21/2024 1:01 PM, Bonita Montero wrote:

Am 21.05.2024 um 16:09 schrieb olcott:
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I am only asking the c experts here whether or not D correctly
simulated by *pure function* H can possibly reach its own line
06 and halt for every H/D pair matching the template provided.

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Saying this is a question about C is like questioning something
about physics in Polish and claiming this is a question about
Polish.

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I am convinced that the question can be fully answered entirely on the
basis of the semantics of C in the exact same way that the termination
status of the following functions can be answered entirely on the basis
of sufficient knowledge of the semantics of c.
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*If you believe otherwise then I ask for you to please justify this*
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void Infinite_Recursion()
{
   Infinite_Recursion();
}
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int factorial(int n) // called with 5
{
   if (n >= 1)
     return n*factorial(n-1);
   else
     return 1;
}
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void Infinite_Loop()
{
   HERE: goto HERE;
}
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This is possible with most languages so this isn't a question about C.

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None-the-less the semantics of my code template does seem
to prove the result that I stated. I would not even be here
except for the people in the other forum that consistently
lie about this.
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You're neither asking about a C- or C++ problem.
So use a proper newsgroup.
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There is no other group that knows enough about the semantics of the
C programming language and there is no other group still alive that
knows enough about the semantics of programming languages.
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comp.theory is the most apppropriate group.
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They have proven to not be the right group because they have
consistently lied about this for two years.

 Maybe, but according to the topic this group fits.

*I AM GETTING NO WHERE WITH THEM ON THIS PAIR OF C FUNCTIONS*
D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own final
state at line 06 and halt because D correctly simulated by
H remains stuck in recursive simulation.
As soon as I get three people to sincerely concur then I
won't need these two groups any more.

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It is trivial to see that for every H/D pair of the infinite
set of H/D pairs that match the below template that
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D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own final
state at line 06 and halt because D correctly simulated by
H remains stuck in recursive simulation.
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This provides the basis for simulating termination analyzer H to
correctly determine that the halting problem's counter-example
input D cannot possibly halt.
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typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
00       int H(ptr p, ptr i);
01       int D(ptr p)
02       {
03         int Halt_Status = H(p, p);
04         if (Halt_Status)
05           HERE: goto HERE;
06         return Halt_Status;
07       }
08
09       int main()
10       {
11         H(D,D);
12         return 0;
13       }
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