Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts

Liste des GroupesRevenir à cl c++ 
Sujet : Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.lang.c++ comp.lang.c
Date : 29. May 2024, 21:16:27
Autres entêtes
Organisation : A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID : <v37uuc$194ku$1@dont-email.me>
References : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
User-Agent : Mozilla Thunderbird
On 5/29/2024 1:51 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
On 5/29/2024 6:34 AM, olcott wrote:
On 5/28/2024 11:54 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
On 5/28/2024 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
On 5/28/2024 10:05 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
[...]
too vague? Oh that is rich.
>
I had to start specifying the x86 language because dozens of reviewers
believed that D correctly simulated by H was supposed to report on the
behavior of non-input: int main() { D(D); }
>
It was only that I could show that this would require simulating
the x86 instructions of D incorrectly or in the wrong order that
I could prove that they were wrong. Their mistake was my primary
rebuttal for two years.
>
>
How do you simulate cmpxchg8b?
>
That is not an x86 instruction it is an x64 instruction
https://phoenixnap.com/kb/x64-vs-x86
 You are wrong. cmpxchg8b is an x86 instruction. A 64-bit DWCAS on a 32-bit system.
 
OK great. I am wrong about a detail totally unrelated to my work.
The details related to my work I am correct and checked every which
way many hundreds of times.
The only detail relevant to this group is STEP ONE of my four step proof.
typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
00       int H(ptr p, ptr i);
01       int D(ptr p)
02       {
03         int Halt_Status = H(p, p);
04         if (Halt_Status)
05           HERE: goto HERE;
06         return Halt_Status;
07       }
08
09       int main()
10       {
11         H(D,D);
12         return 0;
13       }
The above template refers to an infinite set of H/D pairs where D is
correctly simulated by either pure simulator H or pure function H. This
was done because many reviewers used the shell game ploy to endlessly
switch which H/D pair was being referred to.
H correctly simulates 1 to ∞ steps of D with either pure function H or
pure simulator H. In none of these cases does the correctly simulated D
ever reach its own simulated final state and halt.
*In actual finite memory C the H/D pair would eventually crash*
*Correct Simulation Defined*
    This is provided because many reviewers had a different notion of
    correct simulation that diverges from this notion.
    A simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly emulates 1 to N of the
    x86 instructions of D in the order specified by the x86 instructions
    of D. This may include M recursive emulations of H emulating itself
    emulating D.
*Fully operational code proves recursive emulation*
When we see that D correctly simulated by pure simulator H would remain
stuck in infinite recursive simulation then we also know that less than
an infinite number of steps is not enough steps for D correctly
simulated by pure function H to reach its own simulated final state at
line 06 and halt.
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

Date Sujet#  Auteur
23 May 24 * Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?66olcott
23 May 24 +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?7Marcel Mueller
23 May 24 i+* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?5olcott
23 May 24 ii`* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?4Bonita Montero
23 May 24 ii `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?3olcott
24 May 24 ii  `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?2Chris M. Thomasson
24 May 24 ii   `- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1Sam
24 May 24 i`- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1Chris M. Thomasson
23 May 24 +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?17Sam
24 May 24 i+* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?15olcott
24 May 24 ii`* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?14Sam
24 May 24 ii +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?8olcott
24 May 24 ii i+- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1Chris M. Thomasson
24 May 24 ii i`* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?6Sam
24 May 24 ii i +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?2Kenny McCormack
24 May 24 ii i i`- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1olcott
24 May 24 ii i `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?3Keith Thompson
24 May 24 ii i  `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?2olcott
25 May 24 ii i   `- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1Chris M. Thomasson
24 May 24 ii +- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1olcott
24 May 24 ii +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?2Keith Thompson
24 May 24 ii i`- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1olcott
24 May 24 ii `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?2olcott
24 May 24 ii  `- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1Sam
24 May 24 i`- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1Chris M. Thomasson
24 May 24 +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?6Richard Harnden
24 May 24 i`* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?5olcott
24 May 24 i +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?2David Brown
24 May 24 i i`- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1olcott
24 May 24 i +- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1Fred. Zwarts
24 May 24 i `- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1Fred. Zwarts
24 May 24 +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?4Fred. Zwarts
24 May 24 i`* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?3olcott
24 May 24 i `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?2Fred. Zwarts
24 May 24 i  `- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1olcott
25 May 24 `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?31Fred. Zwarts
25 May 24  +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?2Tim Rentsch
25 May 24  i`- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1olcott
25 May 24  +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?2olcott
26 May 24  i`- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1Fred. Zwarts
25 May 24  +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?3Mike Terry
25 May 24  i+- D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its own line 061olcott
25 May 24  i`- D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its own line 06---TOC divergence1olcott
26 May 24  `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?23olcott
26 May 24   `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?22Fred. Zwarts
26 May 24    `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?21olcott
26 May 24     `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?20Fred. Zwarts
26 May 24      `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?19olcott
27 May 24       `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?18Fred. Zwarts
27 May 24        `* D correctly simulated by H never halts17olcott
28 May 24         `* Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts16Fred. Zwarts
28 May 24          `* Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts15olcott
28 May 24           `* Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts14Chris M. Thomasson
29 May 24            `* Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts13olcott
29 May 24             `* Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts12tTh
29 May 24              `* Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts11olcott
29 May 24               `* Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts10Chris M. Thomasson
29 May 24                `* Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts9olcott
29 May 24                 +- Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts1olcott
29 May 24                 `* Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts7Chris M. Thomasson
29 May 24                  +- Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts1olcott
29 May 24                  `* Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts5olcott
29 May 24                   +* Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts2Chris M. Thomasson
29 May 24                   i`- Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts1olcott
29 May 24                   `* Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts2Chris M. Thomasson
29 May 24                    `- Re: D correctly simulated by H never halts1Chris M. Thomasson

Haut de la page

Les messages affichés proviennent d'usenet.

NewsPortal