encapsulating directory operations

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Sujet : encapsulating directory operations
De : mutazilah (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Paul Edwards)
Groupes : comp.lang.c
Date : 20. May 2025, 07:06:19
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Someone (Jean-Marc) wrote some "folder" routines which I like a lot.
You can see them here:

https://sourceforge.net/p/pdos/gitcode/ci/master/tree/hwzip/folder.c

And in essence, when you read from a directory, the only
thing you get is the filename. If it is actually a subdirectory,
then that is indicated with a "/" at the end of the filename.

Other things like size and creation date are not available,
and C90 does not guarantee that such concepts even
exist. C90 does guarantee that files exist though.

And in fact, files are the only thing that are ever actually
externally visible to a C90-compliant program.

Now it so happens that I need to traverse directories.
I want this to run on MVS/TSO as well as other environments,
and I have a way of making directories appear, even though
they don't really exist on the mainframe (traditional, like
MVS 3.8J).

So they will appear to be an 8.8 files, simlar to traditional
8.3 with FAT.

Plus I want to work with modern FAT long filenames, and
Unix too.

The folder routines will do everything I need.

The mkfldr() routine won't work under my MVS/TSO design,
but that doesn't bother me. I can probably make rmfldr() work,
but don't intend to for now.

Now C90 doesn't have folder/directory operations (such as
opendir()) for a reason.

That reason may cease to exist if I can demonstrate directories
grafted onto the mainframe.

And C90 (etc) could potentially be extended to include a folder.h

Or this could be something that doesn't belong in the C standard.

Or alternatively, this could be something incorporated within the
C90 standard, as designed.

I have already demonstrated zmodem working on a COM1
stream opened with fopen (shipped with Freewindows at
pdos.org). Interesting note is that I needed to escape the
MSDOS x'1a' (EOF) because something was swallowing it.
And I demonstrated it via my mainframe emulator too - giving
the mainframe the ability to connect to a BBS and do a FREQ.
Should work on real hardware too, using a TN3270 OSA/ICC
as an encapsulation layer, as I previously demonstrated with
an EBCDIC ANSI terminal.

So the next thing that I would potentially encapsulate is
something like this:

fopen(argv[1], "w+");

where the argument might be "/some/dir/" (with a terminating /
for good measure).

And then do a fputs("dir\n");

And fgets() and collect each name from the folder, using something
similar to those folder routines above - all done internally so not
really relevant.

Possibly a rewind() to reset the EOF condition of  the fgets.
Or maybe an fseek to offset 0 from SEEK_CUR.

And fputs("mkdir subdir\n"); to make a subdirectory.

And fputs("rmdir subdir\n"); to remove one.

And fputs("cd ..\n"); to change directory.


I'm wondering what the underlying principles here are that
would govern the correct thing to do.

Maybe I shouldn't be overloading the FILE concept to make
an artificial file.

Or maybe it is the other way around - we should perhaps
eliminate lots of APIs - like the TCP/IP ones - and stick
them all inside streams, and perhaps FILE is a misnomer,
it should have really been called STREAM.

Any thoughts (besides "get a life!")?

Thanks. Paul.



Date Sujet#  Auteur
20 May07:06 * encapsulating directory operations131Paul Edwards
20 May08:27 +* Re: encapsulating directory operations18Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 May10:33 i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations17Paul Edwards
21 May01:10 i `* Re: encapsulating directory operations16Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 May01:23 i  `* Re: encapsulating directory operations15Paul Edwards
21 May04:37 i   `* Re: encapsulating directory operations14Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 May11:00 i    +* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Paul Edwards
22 May07:49 i    i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
22 May08:02 i    i `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Kaz Kylheku
22 May00:51 i    `* Re: encapsulating directory operations10James Kuyper
22 May06:04 i     `* Re: encapsulating directory operations9Lawrence D'Oliveiro
22 May19:13 i      `* Re: encapsulating directory operations8James Kuyper
22 May23:46 i       `* Re: encapsulating directory operations7Lawrence D'Oliveiro
23 May00:07 i        `* Re: encapsulating directory operations6James Kuyper
23 May00:15 i         `* Re: encapsulating directory operations5Kaz Kylheku
23 May00:26 i          +* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Paul Edwards
23 May01:44 i          i`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Kaz Kylheku
23 May01:10 i          `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2James Kuyper
23 May03:08 i           `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Kaz Kylheku
20 May10:18 +* Re: encapsulating directory operations56Keith Thompson
20 May10:33 i+* Re: encapsulating directory operations12Richard Heathfield
20 May10:45 ii+- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Paul Edwards
20 May12:42 ii+- Re: encapsulating directory operations1David Brown
20 May14:55 ii+* Re: encapsulating directory operations7Kaz Kylheku
20 May15:05 iii`* Re: encapsulating directory operations6Richard Heathfield
20 May15:09 iii +* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Muttley
20 May15:15 iii i`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Paul Edwards
20 May15:48 iii `* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Paul Edwards
20 May16:02 iii  `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Richard Heathfield
20 May16:28 iii   `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Paul Edwards
23 May13:43 ii`* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Tim Rentsch
23 May14:27 ii `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Richard Heathfield
20 May10:36 i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations43Paul Edwards
20 May13:23 i +* Re: encapsulating directory operations39David Brown
20 May14:47 i i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations38Paul Edwards
20 May15:37 i i +* Re: encapsulating directory operations10Richard Heathfield
20 May16:11 i i i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations9Paul Edwards
20 May16:43 i i i `* Re: encapsulating directory operations8Richard Heathfield
20 May22:15 i i i  +* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Paul Edwards
20 May23:50 i i i  i`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Kaz Kylheku
21 May02:11 i i i  +- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 May03:40 i i i  `* Re: encapsulating directory operations4James Kuyper
21 May05:50 i i i   `* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Richard Heathfield
21 May09:06 i i i    `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2David Brown
21 May09:27 i i i     `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Richard Heathfield
20 May17:19 i i `* Re: encapsulating directory operations27David Brown
20 May17:43 i i  +* Re: encapsulating directory operations6Richard Heathfield
20 May18:14 i i  i+* Re: encapsulating directory operations4Kaz Kylheku
20 May18:20 i i  ii`* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Richard Heathfield
20 May19:50 i i  ii +- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Richard Heathfield
20 May20:34 i i  ii `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Kaz Kylheku
21 May09:09 i i  i`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1David Brown
20 May17:51 i i  +- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Kaz Kylheku
20 May18:09 i i  +* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Richard Heathfield
20 May19:34 i i  i`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Richard Heathfield
20 May22:41 i i  +* Re: encapsulating directory operations4Paul Edwards
20 May23:02 i i  i+- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Keith Thompson
21 May02:05 i i  i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 May10:23 i i  i `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Paul Edwards
20 May22:51 i i  +* Re: encapsulating directory operations9Paul Edwards
21 May05:31 i i  i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations8Richard Heathfield
21 May11:08 i i  i `* Re: encapsulating directory operations7Paul Edwards
21 May11:28 i i  i  +- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Richard Heathfield
21 May16:00 i i  i  `* Re: encapsulating directory operations5David Brown
21 May16:37 i i  i   `* Re: encapsulating directory operations4Richard Heathfield
21 May18:21 i i  i    +- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Michael S
22 May11:37 i i  i    `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2James Kuyper
22 May18:53 i i  i     `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Kaz Kylheku
20 May23:09 i i  +- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Paul Edwards
21 May09:27 i i  `* Re: encapsulating directory operations3David Brown
21 May11:46 i i   `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Paul Edwards
21 May15:46 i i    `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1David Brown
21 May01:12 i `* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 May01:25 i  `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Paul Edwards
21 May02:03 i   `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 May14:53 +* Re: encapsulating directory operations52Kaz Kylheku
20 May15:12 i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations51Paul Edwards
20 May22:41 i `* Re: encapsulating directory operations50Keith Thompson
20 May23:38 i  `* Re: encapsulating directory operations49Paul Edwards
21 May00:09 i   +* Re: encapsulating directory operations5Paul Edwards
21 May00:22 i   i+- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Keith Thompson
21 May01:18 i   i+* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Kaz Kylheku
21 May01:31 i   ii`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Paul Edwards
21 May02:02 i   i`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 May00:18 i   +* Re: encapsulating directory operations34Keith Thompson
21 May00:57 i   i+* Re: encapsulating directory operations26Paul Edwards
21 May06:41 i   ii`* Re: encapsulating directory operations25Keith Thompson
21 May11:41 i   ii +* Re: encapsulating directory operations22Paul Edwards
21 May19:06 i   ii i+* Re: encapsulating directory operations19Keith Thompson
21 May19:22 i   ii ii+- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Keith Thompson
22 May22:10 i   ii ii+* Re: encapsulating directory operations14Paul Edwards
22 May23:32 i   ii iii+* Re: encapsulating directory operations12Keith Thompson
23 May00:16 i   ii iiii+* Re: encapsulating directory operations7Paul Edwards
23 May02:38 i   ii iiiii+- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Keith Thompson
23 May03:28 i   ii iiiii+* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Kaz Kylheku
23 May05:27 i   ii iiiiii`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Keith Thompson
23 May06:08 i   ii iiiii`* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Janis Papanagnou
23 May06:20 i   ii iiiii `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Keith Thompson
23 May06:43 i   ii iiiii  `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Janis Papanagnou
23 May16:09 i   ii iiii`* Re: encapsulating directory operations4Richard Harnden
23 May17:50 i   ii iiii `* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Richard Heathfield
22 May23:44 i   ii iii`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Paul Edwards
22 May23:06 i   ii ii`* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Paul Edwards
21 May20:31 i   ii i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Kaz Kylheku
22 May22:52 i   ii `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Paul Edwards
21 May03:21 i   i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations7Kaz Kylheku
21 May03:26 i   +* Re: encapsulating directory operations7James Kuyper
21 May22:19 i   `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Waldek Hebisch
21 May03:35 +* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Janis Papanagnou
22 May19:34 `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Bonita Montero

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