Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”

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Sujet : Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”
De : 433-929-6894 (at) *nospam* kylheku.com (Kaz Kylheku)
Groupes : comp.lang.c
Date : 12. Mar 2024, 20:50:14
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On 2024-03-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
On 12/03/2024 15:09, Anton Shepelev wrote:
bart:
Anton Shepelev:
David Brown:
>
The limited support for avoiding name clashes in C
(user-level C, outside of the implementation
internals) is certainly something that he (or others)
/could/ complain about.  It is a well-known issue, and
it's a shame that the C standards committee have never
dealt with it.  I don't see why the language could not
adopt a simple "namespace" solution that would hugely
simplify avoiding identifier clashes.  (It wouldn't
help for macros, but we have inline functions to
handle many cases.)
>
My hypothetical solution is to have a single function
returning a struct with pointers to all the public
functions of a module.
>
What stops that function name clashing with the single
function exported from other people's modules?
 
A much lower probability.
 
>
I tried my C compiler with a couple of open source projects recently
that both failed for the same mysterious reason.
>
It turned out that one of them used this line:
>
     #include "string.h"
>
and the other used:
>
     #include "malloc.h"

In the TXR project, I have a "signal.h" header, which must not resolve
to <signal.h>. I also have "time.h" and "termios.h", "glob.h",
"regex.h", "alloca.h".

Choosing header names that are distinct from an implementation's
headers is:

1) unnecessary due the local-first search strategy of #include "..."

2) a fool's errand.

Regarding (2), no name that you choose is guaranteed not to be identical
to something in the implementation! Suppose I panic and rename
my "time.h" to "foo.h".  Who is to say that some implementation doesn't
have a <foo.h> header?

There is no such rule that when you name a "whatever.h", you must
ensure there does not exist a <whatever.h>.

People like reusing the same popular module names so much, they will
even use the names of standard headers!

Sometimes deliberately so. Why did I call that header "termios.h"
is that the module is relates to is related to the POSIX termios;
the source file is called termios.c and includes <termios.h> as
well as its own "termios.h". This makes things readable; someone
looking at the directory listing can guess that these files
constitute a module which wraps termios.

Any other naming would obscure that to some degree, other than
perhaps longer names that contain "termios" as a substring.

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Date Sujet#  Auteur
12 Mar 24 * Word For Today: “Uglification”63Lawrence D'Oliveiro
12 Mar 24 +* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”3Keith Thompson
12 Mar 24 i`* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
12 Mar 24 i `- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Keith Thompson
12 Mar 24 +* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”11Kaz Kylheku
14 Mar 24 i`* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”10Tim Rentsch
14 Mar 24 i `* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”9Keith Thompson
15 Mar 24 i  +* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”2Keith Thompson
15 Mar 24 i  i`- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1David Brown
15 Mar 24 i  +* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”5Keith Thompson
15 Mar 24 i  i`* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”4Keith Thompson
15 Mar 24 i  i `* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”3Kaz Kylheku
15 Mar 24 i  i  `* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”2Keith Thompson
15 Mar 24 i  i   `- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1David Brown
15 Mar 24 i  `- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Tim Rentsch
12 Mar 24 +* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”47James Kuyper
12 Mar 24 i`* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”46Lawrence D'Oliveiro
12 Mar 24 i +- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
12 Mar 24 i +* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”37Kaz Kylheku
12 Mar 24 i i`* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”36Richard Kettlewell
12 Mar 24 i i +* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”22David Brown
12 Mar 24 i i i+* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”20Anton Shepelev
12 Mar 24 i i ii`* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”19bart
12 Mar 24 i i ii +* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”17Anton Shepelev
12 Mar 24 i i ii i`* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”16bart
12 Mar 24 i i ii i `* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”15Kaz Kylheku
13 Mar 24 i i ii i  `* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”14bart
13 Mar 24 i i ii i   +* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”12Keith Thompson
13 Mar 24 i i ii i   i+* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”10bart
13 Mar 24 i i ii i   ii+* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”7Michael S
13 Mar 24 i i ii i   iii+* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”4Keith Thompson
13 Mar 24 i i ii i   iiii`* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”3David Brown
13 Mar 24 i i ii i   iiii `* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”2Keith Thompson
13 Mar 24 i i ii i   iiii  `- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1David Brown
13 Mar 24 i i ii i   iii+- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1David Brown
13 Mar 24 i i ii i   iii`- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Kaz Kylheku
13 Mar 24 i i ii i   ii`* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”2Keith Thompson
13 Mar 24 i i ii i   ii `- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1bart
13 Mar 24 i i ii i   i`- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Nick Bowler
13 Mar 24 i i ii i   `- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Kaz Kylheku
12 Mar 24 i i ii `- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Kaz Kylheku
13 Mar 24 i i i`- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Blue-Maned_Hawk
13 Mar 24 i i `* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”13Lawrence D'Oliveiro
13 Mar 24 i i  +* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”11Keith Thompson
13 Mar 24 i i  i`* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”10Richard Kettlewell
13 Mar 24 i i  i `* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”9Keith Thompson
13 Mar 24 i i  i  +* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”7Lawrence D'Oliveiro
14 Mar 24 i i  i  i+- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Kaz Kylheku
14 Mar 24 i i  i  i+- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Keith Thompson
14 Mar 24 i i  i  i`* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”4Lawrence D'Oliveiro
14 Mar 24 i i  i  i `* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”3Keith Thompson
14 Mar 24 i i  i  i  +- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Richard Kettlewell
14 Mar 24 i i  i  i  `- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Kaz Kylheku
19 Jun 24 i i  i  `- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Tim Rentsch
13 Mar 24 i i  `- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Kaz Kylheku
12 Mar 24 i `* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”7James Kuyper
12 Mar 24 i  `* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”6Lawrence D'Oliveiro
13 Mar 24 i   +- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Keith Thompson
13 Mar 24 i   `* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”4James Kuyper
13 Mar 24 i    `* Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
14 Mar 24 i     +- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Kaz Kylheku
14 Mar 24 i     `- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1James Kuyper
12 Mar 24 `- Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”1Kaz Kylheku

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