Re: Loops (was Re: do { quit; } else { })

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Sujet : Re: Loops (was Re: do { quit; } else { })
De : Muttley (at) *nospam* DastardlyHQ.org
Groupes : comp.lang.c
Date : 23. Apr 2025, 17:00:16
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 14:50:22 +0100
bart <bc@freeuk.com> wibbled:
On 23/04/2025 11:58, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 11:15:01 +0100
bart <bc@freeuk.com> wibbled:
IMV, macros generally are a bad idea. They are especially bad with how
they are implemented in C:
 
C macros do essentially 4 different things:
1) Provide a way to pass compilation data directly into the code via compiler
>
    switches and #ifdef
2) Allow conditional compilation for different OS's
>
That does not need expandable macros.

It needs something so why not use macros.

3) Allow repeating blocks of code to be compacted into a single macro when
    having a function instead would be more complicated and/or inefficient.
4) An alternative to inline functions. Probably the least useful.
 
* Their implementation is complex and poorly defined.
 
Maybe to you.
>
Have you ever implemented a C preprocessor?

No, have you? I've not built a smartphone either but I don't find them complex
to use.

* Macros don't obey normal scope rules.
 
They're not supposed to.
>
So, is that good or bad? (Let me guess: it's good that it works like that!)

Why would you want scoping with macros FFS? They need to be consistent and
available everywhere in a piece of source code.

So what? You'd get a compilation error.
>
If you're lucky. Or you get a silent, undetectable bug, since any

No, not if you're lucky - you WILL get an error with that example. Why don't
you try it instead of gassing.

alphanumeric token: identifier, type, or reserved word, gets expanded,
no matter what the context.

Yes, thats whole the fucking point. If you don't want that don't use them!



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4 Apr 25 +* Re: do { quit; } else { }2bart
4 Apr 25 i`- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Thiago Adams
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4 Apr 25 ii`* Re: do { quit; } else { }2Kaz Kylheku
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8 Apr 25 ii`- Re: do { quit; } else { }1candycanearter07
5 Apr 25 i`* Re: do { quit; } else { }3Janis Papanagnou
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