Re: Constants and undefined behavior

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Sujet : Re: Constants and undefined behavior
De : Keith.S.Thompson+u (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Keith Thompson)
Groupes : comp.lang.c
Date : 14. Jun 2026, 23:55:09
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David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
[...]
UB means precisely that I can choose trapping, or IB, or optimising on
the assumption it does not happen.

No, it means that the implementation can make that choice (or allow you
to make that choice).  A conforming compiler could generate code on the
assumption that signed overflow never happens, and not give the
programmer any options.

[...]

Making this UB is an admission of the blindingly obvious - there is no
correct answer when signed integer overflow occurs.  It tells
programmers that it is a mistake to let your arithmetic overflow, and
it allows tools to help programmers avoid these mistakes, and it
allows compilers to give programmers the most efficient results from
known good code rather than adding unnecessary run-time checks that
are never triggered.

Trapping or raising/throwing an exception on overflow would also be an
admission of the blindingly obvious.  And a sufficiently clever compiler
can omit some (not all) checks in cases where it can be statically
proved that overflow doesn't occur, and/or hoist some checks out of
loops.

Of course those kinds of checks are not in the "spirit of C".

[...]

I am happy knowing that I cannot divide by 0,
Yup.  That should be a trap.
>
For some programs, yes.  For others, no.

What's the difference between these programs? 

[...]

I don't want to pay the price for checks, traps, and limited
re-arrangements and optimisations when I know my expressions don't
overflow.  But I am also happy to be able to get a trap when I ask for
it.

I don't want to pay the price of checking for syntax errors when I know
my code is syntactically correct.  But I never know that, because I'm
fallible.

I admit that's not a very strong argument.  There are real differences
between compile-time and run-time checks.

[...]

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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