Re: question about linker

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Sujet : Re: question about linker
De : david.brown (at) *nospam* hesbynett.no (David Brown)
Groupes : comp.lang.c
Date : 03. Dec 2024, 16:24:18
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On 03/12/2024 13:34, Bart wrote:
On 03/12/2024 11:15, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
...
If I write this
>
   int *A, B[10], C(int);
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My compiler tells me that:
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   A is a local variable with type 'ref i32' (expressed in other syntax)
   B is a local variable with type '[10]i32'
   C is a function with return type of 'i32', taking one unnamed
     parameter of type 'i32'.
>
(Interestingly, it places C into module scope, so the same declaration can
also create names in different scopes!)
>
A small correction: that declaration gives all three names the same
scope[1].
 This is what I observed my compiler doing, because it displays the symbol table. It puts C into module-scope, so I can access it also from another function without another declaration (so non-conforming, but I'm long past caring).
 I can't see gcc's symbol table, but I can't access C from another function without it having its own declaration, or there being a module-scope one.
Declarations are scoped in C.  Of course you can't make a declaration like this inside one block and then access it from inside another block (that is not a subblock).  You don't need to see gcc's symbol table to understand this - you just need to know the basics of structured programming.

 With gcc, such a declaration inside a function suffices to be able access a function 'C' defined later in the file.
"int C(int);" declares that there exists an external linkage function "C" with prototype "int C(int)".  If that identifier is used, then there must be a single function of that name and type defined somewhere in the program (in the same file or a different file).  The block-scope declaration is only visible within that one block, of course.

 
 You are confusing scope with linkage.
 It's possible. So a function declaration inside a function gives the name external linkage (?).
The declaration "int C(int)" is an external linkage declaration, because that is always the case for function declarations that are not explicitly declared "static".  (And you can't have a static function declaration at block scope.)

Which in this context means the function will be outside this one, but elsewhere in the module, rather than being imported from elsewhere module.
Not at all.  It could be elsewhere in the unit, or in a different unit. There is no distinction.

 If I say I find these quirks of C confusing, people will have another go at me. So let's say it makes perfect sense for 'extern' to mean two different things!
 
Of course people will have another go at you for making wild and untrue assertions about things that should be pretty obvious to anyone who has thought about and read about scopes, identifiers and declarations - and which pretty much no one would ever write in real code.
You are under no obligation to make your compiler conforming, but you don't get to claim you have made a compiler with different rules from C and that means C is confusing or ambiguous!  It simply means that /you/ were wrong, /you/ got confused, /you/ didn't make any effort to look at the standards and the definition of the language.
Of course lots of C programmers have never read the standards.  But they generally know that they don't know these details, and don't try to pretend that the language details that they don't know are confusing. They simply get on with the job of writing clear C code as best they can.

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