Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###

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Sujet : Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###
De : david.brown (at) *nospam* hesbynett.no (David Brown)
Groupes : comp.theory comp.lang.c
Date : 22. May 2024, 18:40:10
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On 22/05/2024 17:15, James Kuyper wrote:
On 5/21/24 12:10, immibis wrote:
On 21/05/24 17:48, James Kuyper wrote:
It also doesn't apply outside the legal system. If you actually
witnessed a crime, you're not required to pretend that the perpetrator
is innocent, and if you've witnessed something exonerating, you're not
required to accept the decision of a court that incorrectly found
someone guilty.
>
In Germany you may be required to. ...
 No one can force you to believe that the court was correct in its
decision. They may prohibit you from expressing that opinion, but they
can't prevent you from holding it.
 
... Implying that someone committed a
crime which a court found them innocent of may be considered defamation
or insult.
 That's ridiculous - one of the most important purposes of freedom of
speech is to be able hold government officials accountable for failing
to do their job correctly.
Court authorities (judges) are not government officials.  Courts should hold government officials accountable, while like all national bodies the courts should be answerable to relevant government departments.  And governments should be answerable to the electorate.
There's only three national systems that I can claim to know anything about (and I don't claim to be remotely expert on any of them) - Norway, the UK (including the partially autonomous Scotland) and the USA.  It is easy to find aspects of all of these that are clearly contrary to basic democratic principles and common sense for a modern, free and open democratic society.  (And that's assuming everything is working as intended, disregarding inefficiencies, lack of resources, loopholes, corruption, or other abuse that invariably makes things worse.)  I would not expect Germany or anywhere else to be different in this way.
But no matter what rules are in place, any choice of freedoms is always a balance.  One person's freedom to criticise a court decision, or to call someone a criminal when a court found them innocent, will always be at odds to another person's right to a life free from such accusations.
I don't know the details of German law, and I don't know if I would agree with the balance it has picked here - but I do know that different countries make different trade-offs in such cases and that no one has a monopoly on the "right" choices.  (But everyone is free to their opinion on such choices.)

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18 May 24 * Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###89Mikko
18 May 24 +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###71olcott
18 May 24 i+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
19 May 24 i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###69DFS
19 May 24 i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###8immibis
20 May 24 i i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7Chris M. Thomasson
20 May 24 i i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###6Keith Thompson
20 May 24 i i  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3Chris M. Thomasson
20 May 24 i i  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Keith Thompson
21 May 24 i i  i `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
20 May 24 i i  +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
20 May 24 i i  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Kenny McCormack
19 May 24 i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###58olcott
19 May 24 i i+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
19 May 24 i i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###56Richard Damon
19 May 24 i i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###55Chris M. Thomasson
20 May 24 i i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###54immibis
20 May 24 i i   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###53David Brown
20 May 24 i i    +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4Kenny McCormack
20 May 24 i i    i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3Alan Mackenzie
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21 May 24 i i    i  `- Re: Topicality: Who really cares? (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)1David Brown
20 May 24 i i    +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###16Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24 i i    i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###15David Brown
21 May 24 i i    i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###14James Kuyper
21 May 24 i i    i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###13David Brown
21 May 24 i i    i   +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24 i i    i   +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###10Keith Thompson
22 May 24 i i    i   i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###9David Brown
22 May 24 i i    i   i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###8olcott
23 May 24 i i    i   i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7Mikko
23 May 24 i i    i   i   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###6olcott
24 May 24 i i    i   i    +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
24 May 24 i i    i   i    `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4Mikko
24 May 24 i i    i   i     `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3olcott
25 May 24 i i    i   i      `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Mikko
25 May 24 i i    i   i       `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
24 May 24 i i    i   `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24 i i    `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###32immibis
21 May 24 i i     +* Lying meets the standard of losing defamation cases2olcott
21 May 24 i i     i`- Re: Lying meets the standard of losing defamation cases1Richard Damon
21 May 24 i i     +* Lying meets the standard of losing defamation cases3olcott
21 May 24 i i     i`* Re: Lying meets the standard of losing defamation cases2Richard Damon
21 May 24 i i     i `- Re: Lying meets the standard of losing defamation cases1Mikko
21 May 24 i i     +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3Keith Thompson
21 May 24 i i     i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Kenny McCormack
21 May 24 i i     i `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1immibis
21 May 24 i i     +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###13David Brown
21 May 24 i i     i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###12James Kuyper
21 May 24 i i     i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###11immibis
21 May 24 i i     i  +- Thought control??? (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)1Kenny McCormack
22 May 24 i i     i  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###5Richard Damon
22 May 24 i i     i  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4Keith Thompson
22 May 24 i i     i  i `* Policy dispute (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)3Kenny McCormack
22 May 24 i i     i  i  `* Re: Policy dispute (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)2immibis
22 May 24 i i     i  i   `- Re: Policy dispute (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)1Kenny McCormack
22 May 24 i i     i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4James Kuyper
22 May 24 i i     i   +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Kenny McCormack
22 May 24 i i     i   i`- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Kaz Kylheku
22 May 24 i i     i   `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1David Brown
21 May 24 i i     `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###10Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24 i i      +* Subway (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)2Kenny McCormack
21 May 24 i i      i`- Re: Subway (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)1Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24 i i      `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7Keith Thompson
21 May 24 i i       +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24 i i       i+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24 i i       i`- Welcome! (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)1Kenny McCormack
22 May 24 i i       `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3immibis
24 May 24 i i        `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2James Kuyper
24 May 24 i i         `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
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19 May 24 i  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Jeff Barnett
18 May 24 `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###17James Kuyper
18 May 24  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###15Richard Damon
18 May 24  i+* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7Fred. Zwarts
18 May 24  ii+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
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18 May 24  ii`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4James Kuyper
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19 May 24  ii  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1James Kuyper
18 May 24  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7James Kuyper
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18 May 24  i i  +- D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 061olcott
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