Re: Good hash for pointers

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Sujet : Re: Good hash for pointers
De : bc (at) *nospam* freeuk.com (bart)
Groupes : comp.lang.c
Date : 25. May 2024, 13:28:49
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On 25/05/2024 10:12, Tim Rentsch wrote:
bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
 

It looks like your hash function was tuned for this testing
setup.  With different choices for testing it does much
worse.
It wasn't tuned at all; it was a copy of what I've longed used within my lexers.
It is designed to give a good spread when inputs are similar or change sequentially. (Well, not exactly designed; more trial and error.)

The testing is done with malloc() blocks all of the same
requested size, and that size is 1.  Typical workloads
are likely to be both larger and more variable.

When adding a new entry finds a collision with an old
entry, linear probing is used to find a free slot.  It's
well understood that linear probing suffers badly as the
load factor goes up.  Better to take a few high bits of
the hash value -- as few as five or six is fine -- to
have the reprobe sequences have different strides.
 Your hash function is expensive to compute, moreso even
than the "FNV" function shown earlier.
You mean Malcolm's version? That also uses a loop. Neither need to process all 8 bytes of a 64-bit pointer; 6 will do, and probably just 4.
And such a loop can be trivially unrolled.
   In a case like
this one where the compares are cheap, it's better to
have a dumb-but-fast hash function that might need a
few more looks to find an open slot, because the cost
of looking is so cheap compared to computing the hash
function.
My first thought in this thread was to just make use of the pointer value directly. My version was written only to compare against Malcolm's FNV code.
If I try the other suggestions, RH's and KK's which simply shift the pointer value (similar to my idea), the results I got were interesting: sometimes there were zero clashes (almost as though bits 4 to 19 of the pointer were a perfect hash), but sometimes there were millions.
But when I tried to mix up the input values, then all methods seemed to converge to similar results.
In that case you might as well use the simplest and fastest method.
However it really needs testing within the actual application.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
23 May 24 * Good hash for pointers111Malcolm McLean
23 May 24 +* Re: Good hash for pointers3Richard Harnden
24 May 24 i`* Re: Good hash for pointers2Keith Thompson
24 May 24 i `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Malcolm McLean
23 May 24 +- Re: Good hash for pointers1Kaz Kylheku
24 May 24 +* Re: Good hash for pointers16Tim Rentsch
24 May 24 i`* Re: Good hash for pointers15Malcolm McLean
24 May 24 i `* Re: Good hash for pointers14Tim Rentsch
24 May 24 i  `* Re: Good hash for pointers13Malcolm McLean
24 May 24 i   +* Re: Good hash for pointers11Tim Rentsch
24 May 24 i   i`* Re: Good hash for pointers10bart
24 May 24 i   i +* Re: Good hash for pointers3Malcolm McLean
24 May 24 i   i i`* Re: Good hash for pointers2Chris M. Thomasson
24 May 24 i   i i `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Chris M. Thomasson
24 May 24 i   i +* Re: Good hash for pointers3Tim Rentsch
24 May 24 i   i i`* Re: Good hash for pointers2Malcolm McLean
25 May 24 i   i i `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Tim Rentsch
24 May 24 i   i `* Re: Good hash for pointers3David Brown
24 May 24 i   i  `* Re: Good hash for pointers2Malcolm McLean
24 May 24 i   i   `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Michael S
24 May 24 i   `- Re: Good hash for pointers1David Brown
24 May 24 +* Re: Good hash for pointers3Chris M. Thomasson
24 May 24 i`* Re: Good hash for pointers2Chris M. Thomasson
24 May 24 i `- Re: Good hash for pointers1jak
24 May 24 +* Re: Good hash for pointers84Bonita Montero
24 May 24 i`* Re: Good hash for pointers83Malcolm McLean
25 May 24 i `* Re: Good hash for pointers82bart
25 May 24 i  `* Re: Good hash for pointers81Tim Rentsch
25 May 24 i   +* Re: Good hash for pointers4bart
25 May 24 i   i`* Re: Good hash for pointers3Tim Rentsch
25 May 24 i   i `* Re: Good hash for pointers2bart
26 May 24 i   i  `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Tim Rentsch
25 May 24 i   `* Re: Good hash for pointers76Bonita Montero
25 May 24 i    `* Re: Good hash for pointers75Tim Rentsch
25 May 24 i     +* Re: Good hash for pointers9Malcolm McLean
25 May 24 i     i+- Re: Good hash for pointers1Tim Rentsch
25 May 24 i     i+* Re: Good hash for pointers5Janis Papanagnou
26 May 24 i     ii`* Re: Good hash for pointers4Malcolm McLean
26 May 24 i     ii `* Re: Good hash for pointers3bart
26 May 24 i     ii  +- Re: Good hash for pointers1Richard Harnden
27 May 24 i     ii  `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Kaz Kylheku
26 May 24 i     i`* Re: Good hash for pointers2Bonita Montero
26 May 24 i     i `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Bonita Montero
26 May 24 i     `* Re: Good hash for pointers65Bonita Montero
26 May 24 i      `* Re: Good hash for pointers64Tim Rentsch
26 May 24 i       `* Re: Good hash for pointers63Bonita Montero
26 May 24 i        `* Re: Good hash for pointers62Tim Rentsch
26 May 24 i         +* Re: Good hash for pointers29Bonita Montero
26 May 24 i         i+- Re: Good hash for pointers1Bonita Montero
27 May 24 i         i+* Re: Good hash for pointers5Bonita Montero
28 May 24 i         ii`* Re: Good hash for pointers4Ben Bacarisse
30 May 24 i         ii `* Re: Good hash for pointers3Bonita Montero
30 May 24 i         ii  +- Re: Good hash for pointers1Bonita Montero
31 May 24 i         ii  `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Tim Rentsch
31 May 24 i         i`* Re: Good hash for pointers22Tim Rentsch
2 Jun 24 i         i `* Re: Good hash for pointers21Michael S
2 Jun 24 i         i  +* Re: Good hash for pointers2Chris M. Thomasson
3 Jun 24 i         i  i`- Re: Good hash for pointers1Chris M. Thomasson
3 Jun 24 i         i  +* Re: Good hash for pointers5Tim Rentsch
3 Jun 24 i         i  i`* Re: Good hash for pointers4Michael S
4 Jun 24 i         i  i `* Re: Good hash for pointers3Tim Rentsch
4 Jun 24 i         i  i  `* Re: Good hash for pointers2Michael S
5 Jun 24 i         i  i   `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Tim Rentsch
3 Jun 24 i         i  `* Re: Good hash for pointers13Bonita Montero
3 Jun 24 i         i   `* Re: Good hash for pointers12Michael S
3 Jun 24 i         i    `* Re: Good hash for pointers11Bonita Montero
3 Jun 24 i         i     +* Re: Good hash for pointers8bart
3 Jun 24 i         i     i+* Re: Good hash for pointers6Michael S
3 Jun 24 i         i     ii+* Re: Good hash for pointers4bart
3 Jun 24 i         i     iii+- Re: Good hash for pointers1Michael S
3 Jun 24 i         i     iii+- Re: Good hash for pointers1Michael S
4 Jun 24 i         i     iii`- Re: Good hash for pointers1Tim Rentsch
4 Jun 24 i         i     ii`- Re: Good hash for pointers1Tim Rentsch
3 Jun 24 i         i     i`- Re: Good hash for pointers1Bonita Montero
3 Jun 24 i         i     `* Re: Good hash for pointers2Michael S
3 Jun 24 i         i      `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Bonita Montero
4 Jun 24 i         `* Re: Good hash for pointers32Michael S
5 Jun 24 i          +* Re: Good hash for pointers4Bonita Montero
5 Jun 24 i          i`* Re: Good hash for pointers3Michael S
5 Jun 24 i          i `* Re: Good hash for pointers2Bonita Montero
5 Jun 24 i          i  `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Michael S
5 Jun 24 i          +* Re: Good hash for pointers17Tim Rentsch
5 Jun 24 i          i+* AES problem (was: Good hash for pointers)2Michael S
6 Jun 24 i          ii`- Re: AES problem (was: Good hash for pointers)1Tim Rentsch
5 Jun 24 i          i+* Re: Good hash for pointers11Michael S
6 Jun 24 i          ii`* Re: Good hash for pointers10Tim Rentsch
6 Jun 24 i          ii `* Re: Good hash for pointers9Michael S
17 Jun 24 i          ii  `* Re: Good hash for pointers8Tim Rentsch
17 Jun 24 i          ii   `* Re: Good hash for pointers7Michael S
18 Jun 24 i          ii    `* Re: Good hash for pointers6Tim Rentsch
19 Jun 24 i          ii     +* Re: Good hash for pointers2Keith Thompson
19 Jun 24 i          ii     i`- Re: Good hash for pointers1Tim Rentsch
19 Jun 24 i          ii     `* Re: Good hash for pointers3James Kuyper
19 Jun 24 i          ii      +- Re: Good hash for pointers1Keith Thompson
23 Jun 24 i          ii      `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Tim Rentsch
6 Jun 24 i          i`* Re: Good hash for pointers3Michael S
16 Jun 24 i          i `* Re: Good hash for pointers2Tim Rentsch
16 Jun 24 i          i  `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Chris M. Thomasson
7 Jun 24 i          `* Re: Good hash for pointers10Bonita Montero
9 Jun 24 i           `* Re: Good hash for pointers9Bonita Montero
9 Jun 24 i            +* Re: Good hash for pointers2Richard Harnden
10 Jun 24 i            `* Re: Good hash for pointers6Malcolm McLean
26 May 24 +* Re: Good hash for pointers2Bonita Montero
26 May 24 `- Re: Good hash for pointers1Bonita Montero

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