Re: relearning C: why does an in-place change to a char* segfault?

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Sujet : Re: relearning C: why does an in-place change to a char* segfault?
De : ben (at) *nospam* bsb.me.uk (Ben Bacarisse)
Groupes : comp.lang.c
Date : 01. Aug 2024, 23:40:23
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Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

On 01/08/2024 20:39, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
On 2024-08-01, Mark Summerfield <mark@qtrac.eu> wrote:
This program segfaults at the commented line:
>
#include <ctype.h>
#include <stdio.h>
>
void uppercase_ascii(char *s) {
     while (*s) {
         *s = toupper(*s); // SEGFAULT
         s++;
     }
}
>
int main() {
     char* text = "this is a test";
The "this is a test" object is a literal. It is part of the program's
image.
>
So is the text here:
>
  char text[]="this is a test";
>
But this can be changed without making the program self-modifying.

Different "this".  The array generated by the string can't be modified
without UB.  The "this" that can be changed in the corrected version is
a plain, automatically allocated array of char, initialised with the
values from the string.

I guess it depends on what is classed as the program's 'image'.

The self-modifying remark is a bit of a red-herring, but altering the
value of named automatic objects can't be classed as altering the
program's image even in any reasonable way at all.

I'd say the image in the state it is in just after loading or just before
execution starts (since certain fixups are needed). But some sections will
be writable during execution, some not.
>
When you try to change it, you're making your program self-modifying.
>
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000055555555516e in uppercase_ascii (s=0x555555556004 "this is a test")
at inplace.c:6
6         *s = toupper(*s);
On Linux, the string literals of a C executable are located together
with the program text. They are interspersed among the machine
instructions which reference them. The program text is mapped
read-only, so an attempted modification is an access violation trapped
by the OS, turned into a SIGSEGV signal.
>
Does it really do that?

Linux does not really have much to do with it; the C implementation
decides, though the OS will influence what choices make more or less
sense.

For example, with my gcc (13.2.0) on Ubuntu the string is put into a
section called .rodata, but tcc on the same Linux box puts it in .data.
As a result the tcc compiled program runs without any issues and outputs

before [this is a test]
after  [THIS IS A TEST]

Some C implementations, on some Linux systems might put strings in the
text segment, but I've not see a system that does that for decades.
Mind you "Linux" refers to a huge class of systems ranging from top-end
servers to tiny embedded devices)

--
Ben.

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1 Aug 24 * relearning C: why does an in-place change to a char* segfault?98Mark Summerfield
1 Aug 24 +* Re: relearning C: why does an in-place change to a char* segfault?2Mark Summerfield
1 Aug 24 i`- Re: relearning C: why does an in-place change to a char* segfault?1Ben Bacarisse
1 Aug 24 +* Re: relearning C: why does an in-place change to a char* segfault?33Richard Harnden
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