Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)

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Sujet : Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)
De : dbush.mobile (at) *nospam* gmail.com (dbush)
Groupes : comp.lang.c
Date : 05. Apr 2025, 22:14:41
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On 4/5/2025 3:01 PM, olcott wrote:
On 4/5/2025 1:45 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
On 05/04/2025 19:11, olcott wrote:
On 4/5/2025 11:25 AM, dbush wrote:
 
On 4/5/2025 11:59 AM, olcott wrote:>>>>
Introduction to the Theory of Computation 3rd Edition
by Michael Sipser (Author) (best selling textbook)
>
<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
     until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
     stop running unless aborted then
>
     H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>
But not what you think he agreed to:
>
>
 void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
 
>
You have to show that by showing the details of how
what he agreed to is not accurately paraphrased by
*Simulating termination analyzer Principle*
>
No, you have to show firstly that your H determines anything at all about D's behaviour.
 First of all it is the concrete DDD and the hypothetical HHH.
Category error.  The algorithm DDD is not fully specified if the code of the function HHH and everything it calls explicitly spelled out, as all of that is the code under test.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
4 Apr 25 * DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)51olcott
4 Apr 25 +- Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)1olcott
4 Apr 25 `* Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)49Richard Heathfield
4 Apr 25  +* Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)47olcott
4 Apr 25  i`* Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)46Richard Heathfield
4 Apr 25  i `* Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)45olcott
4 Apr 25  i  `* Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)44Richard Heathfield
4 Apr 25  i   `* Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)43olcott
4 Apr 25  i    `* Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)42Richard Heathfield
5 Apr 25  i     `* Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)41olcott
5 Apr 25  i      `* Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)40Richard Heathfield
5 Apr 25  i       `* DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)39olcott
5 Apr 25  i        `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)38Richard Heathfield
5 Apr 25  i         `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)37olcott
5 Apr 25  i          +* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)33dbush
5 Apr 25  i          i+* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)3olcott
5 Apr 25  i          ii`* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)2dbush
5 Apr 25  i          ii `- Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)1olcott
5 Apr 25  i          i`* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)29olcott
5 Apr 25  i          i `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)28Richard Heathfield
5 Apr 25  i          i  `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)27olcott
5 Apr 25  i          i   +* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)16Richard Heathfield
5 Apr 25  i          i   i+* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)13olcott
5 Apr 25  i          i   ii`* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)12Richard Heathfield
5 Apr 25  i          i   ii `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)11olcott
5 Apr 25  i          i   ii  `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)10Richard Heathfield
6 Apr 25  i          i   ii   `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)9olcott
6 Apr 25  i          i   ii    `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)8Richard Heathfield
6 Apr 25  i          i   ii     `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)7olcott
6 Apr 25  i          i   ii      +* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)5Richard Heathfield
6 Apr 25  i          i   ii      i+* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)3Keith Thompson
6 Apr 25  i          i   ii      ii+- Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)1Richard Heathfield
6 Apr 25  i          i   ii      ii`- Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)1olcott
6 Apr 25  i          i   ii      i`- Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)1olcott
6 Apr 25  i          i   ii      `- Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)1dbush
5 Apr 25  i          i   i+- Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)1Janis Papanagnou
6 Apr 25  i          i   i`- Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)1bart
5 Apr 25  i          i   `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)10dbush
5 Apr 25  i          i    `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)9olcott
5 Apr 25  i          i     `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)8dbush
5 Apr 25  i          i      `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)7olcott
5 Apr 25  i          i       `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)6dbush
6 Apr 25  i          i        `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)5olcott
6 Apr 25  i          i         `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)4dbush
6 Apr 25  i          i          `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)3olcott
6 Apr 25  i          i           `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)2dbush
6 Apr 25  i          i            `- Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)1olcott
5 Apr 25  i          `* Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)3Richard Heathfield
5 Apr 25  i           +- Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)1olcott
5 Apr 25  i           `- Re: DD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)1Janis Papanagnou
4 Apr 25  `- Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)1Chris M. Thomasson

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