Re: "A diagram of C23 basic types"

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De : Keith.S.Thompson+u (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Keith Thompson)
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Date : 11. Apr 2025, 21:51:03
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Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
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[*] This statement assumes that a bit-precise type whose width
matches one of the standard integer types is still a distinct type.
I don't know if C23 actually follows that rule.

I believe it does.  N3301 6.2.5 :

    A *bit-precise signed integer type* is designated as _BitInt(N)
    where N is an integer constant expression that specifies the number
    of bits that are used to represent the type, including the sign
    bit. Each value of N designates a distinct type.

It's explicit that two bit-precise types with different values of N are
distinct.  It's implicit, I think, that any such types are distinct from
other integer types.

Editorial comment:  my understanding is that there is an asymmetry
regarding the bit-precise types, in that there is an unsigned
bit-precise type of width 1, but not a signed bit-precise type of
width 1.

There is.  N3301 6.7.2 :

    The parenthesized constant expression that follows the _BitInt
    keyword shall be an integer constant expression N that specifies
    the width (6.2.6.2) of the type. The value of N for unsigned
    _BitInt shall be greater than or equal to 1. The value of N
    for _BitInt shall be greater than or equal to 2.  The value of
    N shall be less than or equal to the value of BITINT_MAXWIDTH
    (see 5.2.4.2.1).

But a bit-field defined as `signed int bf:1` can hold the values
0 and -1 (if I initialize it to 1 it compares less than 0).

Incidentally, gcc 15 (pre-release) on my system has
BITINT_MAXWIDTH = 65535, and clang (18.1.3 and 21 pre-release) has
BITINT_MAXWIDTH = 8388608 (2**23).

          Assuming that is so, IMO it is a galactically stupid
omission:  a signed bit-precise integer of width 1 would very
naturally hold the two values 0 and -1, which is a useful type to
have in some circumstances, and symmetry would be preserved.
Someone didn't have their Wheaties that morning when that decision
was made.

I agree that it's unfortunate, though I don't feel as strongly about it.

Something else that I consider unfortunate is that C23 allows bit-fields
of types bool, int, signed int, unsigned int, a bit-precise integer
type, "or other implementation-defined type".  It doesn't require
implementations to accept, for example, bit-fields of type unsigned
long.  Bit-precise types let you have bit-fields of arbitrary large
widths, but allowing standard types other than [[un]signed] int
would have been easy and useful.

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Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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