Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.

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Sujet : Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.
De : no.email (at) *nospam* nospam.invalid (Paul Rubin)
Groupes : comp.lang.lisp
Date : 16. Apr 2024, 20:23:42
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
[Lisp 2] That project was considered a “failure”, but I wonder why?
Did it turn out that getting rid of the (ahem) quirky Lisp syntax in
fact got rid of some of its expressive power, too?

This retrospective (8 page PDF) gives the impression that Lisp 2 bogged
down due to the implementation outstripping the limited computers
available at the time.  Plus, Lisp 1.5 had gotten entrenched enough that
Lisp 2's Algol-like syntax didn't excite people any more:

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8267589

Lisp 2 had an interesting GC scheme that migrated into SPITBOL which is
where I learned about it.  It was a mark-sweep GC but had a
"generational" aspect that relocated data that had been around for a
while into a "sediment" that usually didn't get rescanned.  I remember
thinking that it might be worth trying this in smaller GC'd language
interpreters like MicroPython.  I don't remember much about it now, but
I spent a while studying it and thinking about documenting and/or
reimplementing it.

SPITBOL (Speedy Implementation of SNOBOL, where SNOBOL was StriNg
Oriented symBOLic language) was a quite amazing 1970s(?) implementation
of a language that could be seen as an antecedent of something like Perl:

https://github.com/spitbol

Date Sujet#  Auteur
2 Apr 24 * Lisp history: IF, etc.56Alan Bawden
2 Apr 24 +- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Kaz Kylheku
3 Apr 24 +- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Gijs Hillenius
3 Apr 24 +- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Gijs Hillenius
3 Apr 24 +* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.49Madhu
3 Apr 24 i`* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.48Alan Bawden
3 Apr 24 i +* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.35Paul Rubin
3 Apr 24 i i`* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.34Alan Bawden
4 Apr 24 i i +* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.32Paul Rubin
4 Apr 24 i i i+* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.5Lawrence D'Oliveiro
4 Apr 24 i i ii+* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.3Axel Reichert
4 Apr 24 i i iii+- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
4 Apr 24 i i iii`- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Paul Rubin
4 Apr 24 i i ii`- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Kaz Kylheku
4 Apr 24 i i i`* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.26Alan Bawden
5 Apr 24 i i i `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.25Paul Rubin
5 Apr 24 i i i  `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.24Julieta Shem
5 Apr 24 i i i   +- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Julieta Shem
6 Apr 24 i i i   +- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
15 Apr 24 i i i   `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.21Paul Rubin
16 Apr 24 i i i    `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.20Jeff Barnett
16 Apr 24 i i i     +* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
16 Apr 24 i i i     i`- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Jeff Barnett
16 Apr 24 i i i     +* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.16Paul Rubin
16 Apr 24 i i i     i`* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.15Jeff Barnett
16 Apr 24 i i i     i `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.14Lawrence D'Oliveiro
16 Apr 24 i i i     i  +* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.12Paul Rubin
17 Apr 24 i i i     i  i`* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.11Lawrence D'Oliveiro
17 Apr 24 i i i     i  i `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.10Paul Rubin
17 Apr 24 i i i     i  i  `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.9Jeff Barnett
17 Apr 24 i i i     i  i   `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.8Lawrence D'Oliveiro
17 Apr 24 i i i     i  i    `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.7Paul Rubin
17 Apr 24 i i i     i  i     +* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.3Madhu
18 Apr 24 i i i     i  i     i`* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
18 Apr 24 i i i     i  i     i `- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Paul Rubin
17 Apr 24 i i i     i  i     `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.3Ben Bacarisse
18 Apr 24 i i i     i  i      `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
18 Apr 24 i i i     i  i       `- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Stefan Monnier
17 Apr 24 i i i     i  `- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Jeff Barnett
17 Apr 24 i i i     `- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Stefan Ram
4 Apr 24 i i `- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Ben Bacarisse
3 Apr 24 i +* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.7Kaz Kylheku
4 Apr 24 i i+* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.5Alan Bawden
4 Apr 24 i ii+* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.3Kaz Kylheku
4 Apr 24 i iii`* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.2Kaz Kylheku
4 Apr 24 i iii `- on levels of disappointment (Was: Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.)1Julieta Shem
4 Apr 24 i ii`- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Julieta Shem
5 Apr 24 i i`- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Spiros Bousbouras
4 Apr 24 i +* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
4 Apr 24 i i`* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.2Alan Bawden
4 Apr 24 i i `- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Kaz Kylheku
12 Apr 24 i `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.2Alan Bawden
12 Apr 24 i  `- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
4 Apr 24 `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.3Kaz Kylheku
4 Apr 24  `* Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.2Alan Bawden
4 Apr 24   `- Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.1Lawrence D'Oliveiro

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