Re: Why don't people like lisp?

On 6/28/2024 2:54 PM, B. Pym wrote:

Pascal Costanza wrote:
 

Indentation in Lisp is not clear enough. Let's look at an example from
http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~gini/aiprog/graham/onlisp.lisp:
>
(defun mostn (fn lst)
   (if (null lst)
       (values nil nil)
       (let ((result (list (car lst)))
             (max (funcall fn (car lst))))
         (dolist (obj (cdr lst))
           (let ((score (funcall fn obj)))
             (cond ((> score max)
                    (setq max    score
                          result (list obj)))
                   ((= score max)
                    (push obj result)))))
         (values (nreverse result) max))))
>
Note that only one pair of adjacent lines is indented by the same amount.
Other alignments are in the middle of lines.
>
Here is a straightforward translation into my dream language; note that
there aren't a lot of parens despite insignificant indentation and despite
using braces (like C) instead of bracketing keywords (like Pascal):
>
def mostn Fun [] = [], null;
def mostn Fun (First\List) {
    var Result = [First];
    var Max = Fun First;
    each List ?Obj {
       let Score = Fun Obj;
       if Score >  Max {Max = Score; Result = [Obj]}
       if Score == Max {Result = Obj\Result}
    };
    reversed Result, Max
};

>
Apparently, Paul Graham doesn't like CLOS nor the LOOP macro. Here is
another verson in Common Lisp (and this is not a dream language ;):
>
(defmethod mostn (fn (list (eql nil)))
    (declare (ignore fn list))
    (values nil nil))
>
(defmethod mostn (fn list)
    (loop with result = (list (car list))
          with max = (funcall fn (car list))
          for object in (cdr list)
          for score = (funcall fn object)
          when (> score max) do (setq max score
                                      result (list object))
          when (= score max) do (push object result)
          finally return (values (nreverse result) max)))

 Gauche Scheme
 (use gauche.collection) ;; fold2
 (define (max-by fn lst)
   (if (null? lst)
     (values '() #f)
     (fold2
       (lambda (x best worth)
         (let ((score (fn x)))
           (cond ((> score worth) (values (list x) score))
                 ((= score worth) (values (cons x best) worth))
                 (#t (values best worth)))))
       (take lst 1) (fn (car lst))
       (cdr lst))))
 (max-by (lambda(x) (modulo x 5)) '(22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29))
    ===>
(29 24)
4

How do i avoid using   -99999   ???
(define (print x) (newline) (write x) (newline))
(define (max-by fn Lis)    (maxBy fn Lis '() -99999))
(define (maxBy fn x cLis cMax)
  (cond
   ((null? x)             (cons (reverse x) cMax))
   ((= (fn (car x)) cMax) (maxBy fn (cdr x) (cons (car x) cLis) cMax))
   ((> (fn (car x)) cMax) (maxBy fn (cdr x) (list (car x)) (fn (car x))))
   (else                  (maxBy fn (cdr x) cLis cMax))))
(print (max-by (lambda(x) (modulo x 5)) '(4 5 6 7 8 9 3 44)))
(print (max-by (lambda(x) (modulo x 5)) '(24 25 26 27 28 29 33 44)))