Sujet : SE policy on use of generative Al ignores Retrieval-Augmented Generatio (Was: RETRO Project Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022)
De : janburse (at) *nospam* fastmail.fm (Mild Shock)
Groupes : comp.lang.prologDate : 10. Jan 2025, 11:15:23
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Hi,
In as far I still hold my position, and you can review
the position in 3-5 years when stupid cows like the MSE
people have done all their learning:
This here:
The content you provide must either be your own original work, or your summary of the properly referenced work of others. [...] Generative artificial intelligence tools are not capable of citing the sources of knowledge used up to the standards of the Stack Exchange network.
https://math.stackexchange.com/help/gen-ai-policyIs mostlikely outdated. It ignores RAG:
Was ist Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG)?
https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/retrieval-augmented-generation/Bye
Mild Shock schrieb:
Hi,
I posted this already on sci.math, sci.logic and
sci.physics. Its probably the most important addition
to current LLMs, i.e. Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG).
But somehow the morons of MSE don't understand a bit
whats going on around and about the world. They are
quite immune to progress in AI. Like stupid cows.
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More details on RAG, see here RETRO Project (*) at t=12:01:
What's wrong with LLMs and what we should be building instead
Tom Dietterich - 10.07.2023
https://youtu.be/cEyHsMzbZBs
So its not a very new technique now appearing in
generative AIs on the market as well. Some chat bots
are even now able to sometimes show more clearly the
used source documents in their answer. The MSE end
user can still edit a citation by hand to conform
more to the SEN format, if this would be the issue.
Also the MSE end user can explicitly now ask a chat
bot for sources, which he will get most of the time.
Or he can give a chat bot a source for review and
discussion. This works also. So there is not anymore
this "remoteness" of an LLM to the actual virtual
world of documents. Its more that they now inhabit the
actual virtual world and interact with it. Another issue
I see is that in certain countries and educational
institutions, it might the case that working with a
chat bot is something that the students learn,
yet they are not officially allowed to use it on
MSE, because MSE policies are biased on outdated
views about generative AI.
See also:
(*) RETRO Project:
Improving language models by retrieving from trillions of tokens
Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022
https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.04426
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Bye
Mild Shock schrieb:
Hi,
>
Prologers with their pipe dream of Ontologies
with Axioms are most hurt by LLMs that work
more on the basis of Fuzzy Logic.
>
Even good old "hardmath" is not immune to
this coping mechanism:
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"I've cast one of my rare votes-to-delete. It is
a self-answer to the OP's off-topic "question".
Rather than improve the original post, the effort
has been made to "promote" some so-called RETRO
Project by linking YouTube and arxiv.org URLs.
Not worth retaining IMHO.
-- hardmath
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https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/a/38051/1482376
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Bye