Re: Shutdown vs. Restart

On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 19:06:40 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
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On 2025-03-27 06:41, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 14:14:41 +0100, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
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Steve Hayes, 2025-03-24 10:04:
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 12:16:17 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
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Learned recently that in later versions of windows, Shutdown does not
completely shut down windows but Restart does.
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Is that true in Android too?

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In Windows, I'm pretty sure it is the other way round.
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Restart doesn't completely shut down Windows, but shutdown does.

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No, it's exactly the opposite - because "shutdown" is what people do all
the time when they want turn off their computers. For this very reason
Windows does only hibernate by default - which means it stores the
current RAM content on the SSD so the last state including all open
applications will be restored when turning on the computer the next time.

 
Why is there then a different option for "hibernate"?
 
I often shut down my computer and it *never* restores the apps I was
using when it shut down.
 
I believed (perhaps wrongly) that in shutting it down, data held in
RAM while it was being worked on would be "flushed" to disk, and so
not lost, and that all open files would be closed, again so that FATs
or their equivalent could find all the bits when asked to reopen them.
 

However when a user does *restart* Windows, then he does that to make
sure, the system is in a defined state - and for this reasons Windows
will *not* hibernate and restore the current state when it is restarted.

 
But it doesn't restore the pre-shut down state when it is shut down
and restarted.
 
It does when it is put to sleep or huiberated, but not when it is shut
down.
 
The difference between shut down and restart is that shut down
switches off the power, so that everything in RAM is gone. In Restart
the power isn't switched off, the OS is just reloaded, so stuff that
was in RAM may still be there.

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NO! This has been explained already elsewhere in the thread in multiple
different ways:
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'Hibernate' saves the current user and OS states, so that by default
they will be restored when the PC is next powered on.  When the PC is
next powered on, all the user's running programs will be restored.

That's what I thought, and that's what my computer does.

'Shutdown' in Windows versions >= 8 with 'Turn on fast start-up' enabled
saves a state of the OS equivalent to being fully booted but no user yet
logged on, so, unlike 'Hibernate', no user state is saved.
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'Shutdown' in Windows versions >= 8 with 'Turn on fast start-up'
disabled, or in versions <= 7, saves nothing, so a full boot of the PC
will occur on every power up, unless on the previous shutdown the PC had
been hibernated.

That again is what I thought. I'd better check to make sure that Fast
Startup is disabled.



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