Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS

On 2024-07-07 11:51, Andrew wrote:

Andy Burns wrote on Sun, 7 Jul 2024 19:12:04 +0100 :
 

I assume that you have to login to the phone with the provider pin, to
power up the phone. And then requires the phone entry auth, which
normally these days it is a pattern with the finger. And normally this
assumes you logged in to Android/google.
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I am not going to test without that login. You try that yourself.

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We know it's not compulsory to associate a google account with an
android phone, any guesses what percentage *do* have one?
Kind of pointless game as we have no way of finding out.

 To Andy's quite valid pragmatically sensible observation...
 1. We all know I don't have a Google Account set up on my phone, and
    we all know I can likely do more than most people, right?

No one here knows either of those things for a fact.
We know you CLAIM both of those things.

     So we know the Google Account isn't required just to do things
    like messaging (which I do all day, every day, with iOS & Android
    users despite the moronic Apple users not understanding that).

An account doesn't have to be a Google account.

     You just have to be intelligent about using the phone w/o Google.
    That's all.
 2. However.... we also know that ~99.99% of people do exactly
    what the phone tells them to do - which - of course - is to
    set up a Google Account on that phone - which means - to Andy's
    question - I'd guess the percentage is ~99.99% (give or take)
    who, like the idiotic iPhone users, blindly log into Google
    servers every moment of every day of the rest of their lives.
 3. So I get Andy's point that, if MLS requires a login account,
    and, in fact, if MLS requires both participants to have a
    login account on the same Google server, then it's not such
    a privacy flaw as I make it out to be (as they're already dead).
 However, that doesn't change the question nor the answer to it, right?
 Q: Does RCS require both participants to log into a server or not?
Q: Does ENCRYPTED RCS require both to log into a server or not?
Q: Does MLS require both participants to log into the same server?
 Any idea?

How do you imagine messages get from your phone to someone else's without going through a server, you idiot?