Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.

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Sujet : Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.
De : marion (at) *nospam* facts.com (Marion)
Groupes : comp.mobile.android misc.phone.mobile.iphone uk.telecom.mobile
Date : 18. Mar 2025, 14:44:52
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:12:16 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote :

What the article does not clarify is whether Android will also implement this (Google uses its own encryption method), and so what will happen to cross platform messages.
 Since MLS will become part of RCS, Google would be stupid not to
implement it. In fact when MLS is implemented, there is no need to keep
the proprietary solution in place - maybe just as a fall back for old
devices.
Google is already on record for adopting MLS the same time Apple does.
What's interesting though is how it will work when the Internet sucks.
Nothing can happen until the two *devices* exchange the keys, right?
Apparently the fallback will be two-fold if there is no Internet:
a. Queue the message for a while, and, if necessary... b. Eventually fall back to SMS/MMS
But the fallback will be *different* depending on WHO is offline!
I use the last known good version of PulseSMS so I don't have RCS, but
apparently those with Google Messages have to set an option to get that.
 Automatically resend as SMS/MMS = on/off
So if the sender is offline, then it will queue or fallback to SMS/MMS.
But if the recipient is offline, then the carrier's RCS infrastructure (or Google's Jibe platform) will store the message until the recipient goes
back online (or until the RCS carrier's expiry time has elapsed).
But wait! How can the RCS infrastructure store a message if keys haven't
been exchanged? It turns out keys are exchanged the FIRST time the two
people communicate. So the keys are already stored on each device.
But wait. That's not all. They keys aren't kept forever, it turns out!
They're refreshed on some schedule I haven't been able to figure out yet.
The refresh seems to happen on 'context' changes, such as
a. Users adding or removing participants from a group conversation.
b. Periodic key rotations for enhanced security.   c. Detection of potential security vulnerabilities.
etc.
The plot thickens...
Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 Mar 25 * Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.55Carlos E.R.
17 Mar 25 +* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.34Jörg Lorenz
18 Mar 25 i+* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.4badgolferman
18 Mar 25 ii`* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.3Marion
18 Mar 25 ii `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.2Andy Burns
18 Mar 25 ii  `- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1Marion
18 Mar 25 i`* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.29Arno Welzel
18 Mar 25 i +* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.2Marion
18 Mar 25 i i`- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1badgolferman
18 Mar 25 i +* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.25Jörg Lorenz
18 Mar 25 i i`* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.24Carlos E.R.
19 Mar 25 i i `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.23Jörg Lorenz
19 Mar 25 i i  `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.22Carlos E.R.
19 Mar 25 i i   +* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.18Jörg Lorenz
22 Mar 25 i i   i`* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.17Carlos E.R.
24 Mar 25 i i   i `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.16Jörg Lorenz
24 Mar 25 i i   i  `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.15Carlos E.R.
24 Mar 25 i i   i   `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.14Jörg Lorenz
25 Mar 25 i i   i    +* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.4Carlos E.R.
25 Mar 25 i i   i    i`* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.3Jörg Lorenz
25 Mar 25 i i   i    i +- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1Jörg Lorenz
25 Mar 25 i i   i    i `- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1Carlos E.R.
26 Mar 25 i i   i    `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.9Arno Welzel
26 Mar 25 i i   i     `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.8Jörg Lorenz
27 Mar 25 i i   i      `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.7Arno Welzel
28 Mar 25 i i   i       `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.6Carlos E.R.
28 Mar 25 i i   i        +- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1Jörg Lorenz
28 Mar 25 i i   i        `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.4Frank Slootweg
28 Mar 25 i i   i         `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.3Carlos E.R.
28 Mar 25 i i   i          `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.2Frank Slootweg
28 Mar 25 i i   i           `- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1Carlos E.R.
20 Mar 25 i i   `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.3Marion
22 Mar 25 i i    `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.2Carlos E.R.
22 Mar 25 i i     `- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1Marion
18 Mar 25 i `- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1Jörg Lorenz
17 Mar 25 +* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.2Marion
17 Mar 25 i`- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1Alan
18 Mar 25 +- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1Jörg Lorenz
18 Mar 25 `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.17Arno Welzel
18 Mar 25  `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.16Marion
18 Mar 25   +* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.13Andy Burns
19 Mar 25   i`* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.12Marion
19 Mar 25   i `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.11Carlos E.R.
19 Mar 25   i  `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.10Andy Burns
19 Mar 25   i   +* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.8Marion
19 Mar 25   i   i`* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.7badgolferman
19 Mar 25   i   i `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.6Tweed
19 Mar 25   i   i  +* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.4badgolferman
19 Mar 25   i   i  i`* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.3Tweed
19 Mar 25   i   i  i `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.2Marion
19 Mar 25   i   i  i  `- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1badgolferman
19 Mar 25   i   i  `- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1Nick Cine
19 Mar 25   i   `- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1Java Jive
21 Mar 25   `* Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.2Richmond
21 Mar 25    `- Re: Encryption comes to RCS at last on iPhones.1badgolferman

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