Re: Shutdown vs. Restart

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Frank Slootweg, 2025-03-26 16:25:
 

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Steve Hayes, 2025-03-24 10:04:
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 12:16:17 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
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Learned recently that in later versions of windows, Shutdown does not
completely shut down windows but Restart does.
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Is that true in Android too?

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In Windows, I'm pretty sure it is the other way round.
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Restart doesn't completely shut down Windows, but shutdown does.

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No, it's exactly the opposite - because "shutdown" is what people do all
the time when they want turn off their computers. For this very reason
Windows does only hibernate by default - which means it stores the
current RAM content on the SSD so the last state including all open
applications will be restored when turning on the computer the next time.

 
  Sorry, but that's not correct. If you do a 'Shut down' the system will
only save the OS to 'disk', not the open applications. And it will only
save to 'disk' if Fast Startup is enabled (which is the default).

 
Nitpicking...

  Anything but nitpicking! Windows does *not* do a full hibernate/resume
when you do a Shut down, that's what the Hibernate choice is for.

  N.B. If your comment was correct, there would be no 'Hibernate' choice
in the 'Power' menu.

 
My Windows 11 setup does *not* have "hibernate" in the power menu. So
you are wrong as well now? Or did you just forgot, that the choices also
depend on settings?

  So you changed the default. Noted.

I talked about the *default* setup of Windows nowadays which is "Fast
Startup". And in this *default* case Windows behaves as described since
the previous poster believed, that "shutdown" will always shutdown
without hibernation and "reboot" will restore the state as it was before
the reboot.

  I don't think that's what Steve Hayes meant. Anyway, I just corrected
your incorrect information ("so the last state including all open
applications will be restored when turning on the computer the next
time.").

  For an authorative reference:
 
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This is not "authoritative".

  Well it's much more authoritative than yours. Note the poster.

       Only the document of Microsoft is
authoritative:
 
<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/test/weg/delivering-a-great-startup-and-shutdown-experience>

  A bit long, but the 'Fast startup' section is not too long and
confirms my correction of your earlier post:

"Fast startup begins with the shutdown process and includes writing data
 to disk similar to the hibernate process. A key difference is that all
 user sessions (Session 1) are logged off and the remaining information
 is written to the hiberfile."

  So the user sessions are logged off, so they *cannot* "be restored
when turning on the computer the next time".

  Note also that the text in the "SHUTDOWN" picture only says "System
data ... saved to disk", while a similar picture in the later "Hibernate
phase" picture says "User & system state ... saved to disk", so a (Fast
startup) shutdown does not save user state, which is my point.

  (AFAIC,) EOD.