Re: Unusable Android J5(6)

N.B. Be patient. There's actually positive news at the end.

R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote:

Frank,
 

 Earth to Rudy: In that quote, I say "including me pointing to
the specific part of J?rg's reference.", so I *pointed to* J?rg's
reference and the hence the 'proof' you're looking for is *in that
reference*, *not* in *my* text. Capice?

 
Ah, gotyou. So your "including me *pointing to the specific part* of J?rg's
reference." (bolding mine) is, and has been a lie.  I capice.

  Sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. My "including me pointing to
the specific part of J?rg's reference." is not a 'lie' it's a fact.

  So I've no idea what you're on about, other than your usual sick spiel
of dishonest complusive arguing, attacking, confrontation, finding fault
where there isn't any, insults, etc..

No wonder you have not quoted it as proof that you did...

  I said it's in the first paragraph of my response to Jörg and that
it has your name in it. See more below.

So again, show me where you told me where you told me that I should
use a particular physical button combination to get at that "hard reset"

>
 Indirectly in that/my article (and later several times directly).

 
Thats the whole thing, is it.  You, with your 20-20 vision noticing
something you already knew (or strongly suspected) that would be there,
expecting that I, who knew nothing about that "secret" method, would notice
the same.

  Nope, I *pointed* you to it by writing "'Hard reset'". Look it up,
it's *really* in that first paragraph.

Also, feel free to point out which of those "and later several times
directly" came *before* my post about not being able to get at that "'Hard
reset' ('Wipe data/factory reset')" option.

  "later" means exactly that, i.e. after your post. Reading for
Comprehension 101. If you had quoted the full sentence, that would be
clear to anyone.

Don't blame me if you can't/won't/don't/<whatever> follow
references/ directions.

 
So, you think its in any way honest to expect someone to just go read
*everything* without even knowing what he should be looking for.  Capice.

  Nope, Yet another straw man.

I don't owe you anything. If anything, you owe me/us an apology for
acting like an ungrateful, obnoxious, pompous twat.

 
You claim, you owe. That is how it works.

  Nope. I didn't 'claim' anything. I wrote a response to Jörg and
pointed you to that response. That *you* keep claiming that it doesn't
say what it does, is not anyone's problem but yours.

And what should I be grateful for ?  For your claims of help where you
cannot even quote how you did so ?  That kind of "help" ?

  Again, there's no obligation to anybody to re-quote what they have
written. Many (most? all?) people in this thread offered help,
solutions, explanations of how things do (not) work and why. AFAICT, you
haven't said a single simple 'Thank you.' to anybody.

Grateful for someone who tries to tells me that I should alsways
second-guess someones instructions and am obliged to go on a wild goose
chase every time ?   I don't think so.

  Be clear. Who/what is the "someone"? Me? Others? The webpages? Other?
And *practice* what you preach: *quote* where "someone tries to tell
me that I should alsways second-guess someones instructions".

As for being "obnoxious and pompous" ?   Your one-star rathing doesn't even
make a dent in my overal rating I'm afraid.

  Indeed, you make 'nospam' (RIP?) look like an amateur.

Start with realizing that you might have knowledge others (I) do not, and
that you need to be clear about what you want the other to know.

  Yes, we realize that very well. We know that you don't have the
knowledge/expertise/experience, because you've never used a smartphone
and are trying to get this - somewhat broken - gift to work.

  But you should also realize this and hence not act like an ungrateful,
obnoxious, pompous twat.

 But, because I don't understand you don't get it, I read "that
message of yours to jorg" again and the 'proof' you demand is of
course there. In the very first paragraph, with your name in it.
>
 And to be clear, because you keep snipping the MIDs which I gave and I
gave serveral MIDs in my responses to you, "that message of yours to
jorg" is still, what it always was:

 
Sigh.
 
"If unlinking the phone from the ex-user's Google Account " ...
 
That isn't talking about secret button combinations.

  Why don't you quote the whole paragraph? Why only quote *part* of where
I say "If ... DOESN"T work,".

  Why not quote the part with starts with "can't Rudy...", i.e. the part
which is clearly related to *you*?

  Could it be that you don't quote it, because it undermines your
dishonest tactics/MO?

"Yes, smartphones have some 'theft protection'"
 
That isn't either

  That isn't in the first paragraph, is it? So why bring it up. Yes, you
mentioned/questioned theft protection elsewhere. And yes, I explained
why things are the way they are. And yes, you silently snipped that. And
no, you didn't acknowledge or thank me.

"Of course the disadvantage of a 'factory reset' is"
 
Nor that.

  Same.

"[1] I once did an 'Android Recovery' -> 'Wipe data/factory reset'"
 
Nor that.

  Same.

You said ?

  Said what I said in the *first* paragraph. Which you still have to
read for comprehension.

  N.B. Of course you *can* read for comprehension, but it's quite clear
that you don't *want* to do/acknowledge that, because that would bring
your compulsive arguing and aggro to a standstill.
 

Message-ID: [snip]
>
 And please, don't snip it this time.

 
As someone recently said to me, I don't owe you anything.
 
Besides, I assume that the people here in this newsgroup, perhaps besides
you, are smart enough to realize that, if they are interrested in what was
said before, they can just take a peek at the parent post (and the rest of
the (sub)thread if they like).

  People are generally not in a habit of looking for evidence which
might have been dishonestly 'conveniently' slillently snipped.

  Can't do the time, ...

  But you're right, nobody can force you to behave responsibly/
constructively/<whatever>.

And as another besides, I have no idea why you keep using the MID, instead
of posting the UTC datetime of the post (also in the headers).  For
instance, my newsgroup reader doesn't expose MIDs, and has no way to search
for them.  It does sort the messages on date/time though.

  I use MIDs, because they unique, easy, can point to other threads/
groups, can be looked up in most newsreaders and can be looked up on
archive sites, for example <https://al.howardknight.net/>.

  Given the limitation of your (old) newsreader, I advise to use
<https://al.howardknight.net/>. Articles appear there rather quickly, so
it should work in most cases and surely in the case(s) at hand.

  I'll try to remember to also mention the 'Date:' in any future  ...
ahem ... 'discussions' with you. But don't expect people to accomodate
the limitations of your (old) newsreader. (BTW, my newsreader is also
(very) old, probably older than yours.)

You need to release them when the desired (i.e. Recovery)
screen appears.

 
:-)  You have no idea which button combination I need to use, but you are
sure about that ?

  Another straw man. There are only two combination and I mentioned
them. And yes, I'm quite sure. And no, I'm not going to drag out an old
phone to try and risk some problem.

As mentioned before, I see a *lot* of possible usages of the buttons,
including having to *press* them (and than release them?) at a certain
moments.

  It's always press-and-hold. It's only the two combinations. And with
those two combinations, it's the sequence: power first, other key
(very) shortly after that.

Also, as a result(?) of having tried different combinations the phone twice
made a photo, and once started in "safe mode".  Never been able to repeat
either of them though.

  Oh deary! "made a photo"? The phone should be powered *off* before you
press the buttons. If the phone "made a photo", it was powered up and
(mostly) booted up.

  In the 'Hard reset' section of Jörg's reference, "1 - First step:"
clearly says:

"First of all, turn off your Samsung Galaxy J5 completely. If you can't
 unlock the screen, press and hold the power button for about 20 seconds
 and the phone will turn off."

  I.e. like a 'Shut down' in Windows, not like a 'Sleep'.

  I'm quite sure we've just found the reason why you can't get into
recovery mode!

Frank, I think its quite clear I don't trust you (anymore), and you don't
like me either.  Lets not talk again.

  Sorry, but it doesn't work that way, you can't throw in another round
of misinterpretations, misrepresentations, straw me, lying by omission,
etc., etc. and then expect the other person to keep quiet.

Goodbye.
 
Regards,

  I've said this before: Cut this "Regards," nonsense, when you *show*
the exact opposite.