Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .

On Mon, 28 Oct 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

On 10/28/24 6:10 AM, D wrote:

  On Mon, 28 Oct 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
 

On 10/27/24 5:34 PM, D wrote:

  On Sun, 27 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
 

On 27/10/2024 05:35, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

On 10/26/24 10:21 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 02:06:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
 

"Our whole universe was in a hot dense state..."

 As I look around, I see some in this noisegroup who still seem to be in
that state ...

    Normally these groups are VERY quiet. But then it's only
   about a week before elections.
    As for the universe, it USED to be in a 'hot dense state',
   but has cooled-off considerably. If 'dark energy' calx are
   correct we're already on the downside - headed for icy doom.
 

Well so says the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view.
 We are surfing a wave of entropy created by the big bang and will all
end up washed up the beach gasping and then die.
 Of course  the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view is
only a man made theory, when it comes down to it. And can neither be
proven true or false.
 

 The world actually can be proven true. G.E. Moore did it many decades
ago. Here's a hand!

   Even the Buddha said the universe was "real" - just
 that creatures like US, maybe any, could never really
 see it's entirety - barely a key-hole view. Our evolution,
 bodies, senses, brains ... we see things through "Human-
 Colored Glasses" and that's our kinda faux view of things.

 I think this is pretty obvious. I also think it shows that Buddha was a wise man!

>
 If it's obvious, why don't I hear it much ? It represents

Maybe you are talking with the wrong people? I think about 100% of the people I talk with accept that the world is real.
As for not knowing the entire world, that is also not a shocking revelation. Just look at the theoretical amount of information that can be stored in the brain vs the amount of information that makes up the world. The world is bigger.
Or coming at it from another angle, just look at our limited capacities across the wave spectrum, and compare with all the events out in the world taking place all across the spectrum.
The second paragraph not many people think about, so that is probably why you (or I) never hear that much.

 a loss of self-determination, a stone wall we can never
 penetrate ... forever trapped in our little tiny warped
 version of the universe.

I don't understand this.

 Actually, Plato's "Allegory Of The Cave" points to the
 same conclusion, he just kinda leaves off the last para -
 maybe for political reasons. Plato and Buddha were near-
 contemporaries and some ideas may have filtered across
 from the east.

This is most likely the truth. Have a look at the gymno-sophists. There is proof of interaction between ancient greece and india.