Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome

On 2025-04-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

On 4/25/25 23:00, RonB wrote:

On 2025-04-26, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2025-04-25, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 12:06:53 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
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I understand the problems with X11, and supporting legacy, but you can't
just throw out decades of work and break it because its hard.

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Somebody has to come along and offer to do the work. If nobody does, then
yes, the existing developers are quite justified in saying “that’s not
worth it, let’s just drop it”.

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But they ARE doing work.  They're creating new stuff that lack some
degree of compatibility with the old.  This is the problem, devs work on
what the want to work on, not what people need.
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In no one was willing to work on free software, that would make sense,
but people are working on reinventing the wheel again and again.  We
also had Mir.  TWO projects. Duplication.

 
Kind of like Ubuntu trying to force Unity on everyone because "they knew
better." Or Gnome making huge changes in Gnome 3 because they knew better
than the user what the *should* want. That's basically why Linux Mint took
off. Mate and Cinnamon were what a LOT of users wanted, not Gnome 3 or
Unity.

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In the end, a lot of people ended up liking Gnome 3's way of doing
things, and it is at the core of a few desktop environments. As for
Unity and Mir, I liked the interface of Unity enough to seek it out in
Ubuntu's iteration of Gnome, and Mir was a step in the right direction.
Had Wayland not already have been in development, I doubt people would
have had such a negative opinion of Canonical's decision to move away
from X11.

Not me. Never liked either Unity or Gnome 3. I also don't like that
customization of Gnome 3 was always an afterthought, with add-ons that broke
with each release. Gnome developers seemed to have had a "take it or leave
it," mindset. It's gotten a bit better over time but, still, when you ask
about moving the top bar to the bottom, and ask why Gnome 3 doesn't a
provide a method to do that, you get snarky responses claiming this the top
position is "somehow" superior. I don't like it there, it feels
"claustrophobic" to me. I always moved the Gnome 2 bar to the bottom. Add-ins
are supposed to fix this, but usually they only work for such and such
version and are often abandoned.

As for X11 vs Wayland, not quite sure how that fits in the Gnome 3 and Unity
vs Gnome 2 debate.

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