Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome

On 2025-04-27, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Borax Man wrote:
>

chrisv wrote:

>
I don't know why you think that people can "do what they want" in
defiance of market forces.  The same with companies "bending" away
from their needs or their customers' needs.
>
If they don't do the right things, they will be beaten in the market
by someone who is.
>

>
Not necessarily.  This idea that "market forces" just fixes things runs
contrary to observed experience.  Many companies still turn a profit
DESPITE massive ineffeciecies and avoidable errors.  This is an
ideological position, not one based on observation of the real world.

>
For some definitions of "massive".  Certainly, the more errors they
make and inefficiencies they have, the more vulnerable to being
out-competed they will be.
>
I do not agree with you that companies will bend towards allowing
workers to "do what they want", catering to them rather than the
companies or the customers needs.  That just wouldn't cut it, in the
long term.
>

The problem is "long term" can be years, then you have another stupid
idea that needs to be weeded out that takes it place.  Thats cold
comfort.

Also, the "market" often moves according to external forces, or it
doesn't due t intertia, or network effects.  ie, you use product X, not
becaues its good, but because you need to interact with others also
using product X.  Product X can turn to crap, but you can't leave,
because that is where everyone still is.

>
We're not talking about monopolies.
>

Yes, they functionally exist.  Google.  Twitter.  Facebook.  They all
became titans.  Windows is THE desktop operating system.  If you can't
exchange Word Documents, you're in trouble.  Apple and Google are a
clear duopoly in mobile phones.

But even when there is not a monopoly, you have convergence.