Re: This FOSS Thang :-)

On 3/22/24 6:52 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Le 19-03-2024, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> a écrit :

Plus you're implying that the work done by full time UI professionals is
bad

 I'm not implying anything. It's clear.

What's clear?  "Yes" or "No", are you explicitly claiming that the work done by full time UI professionals is invariably bad?

 

... but do you have any credible citations for that?  Cite, please.

 Why should I cite anyone?

Because you're trying to outwardly go beyond your personal opinion.

When I'm using my computer, I not asking
anyone how he feels about it. I can see by myself that the GUI designed
by UI professionals are slowing me. So they're bad and it needs to be
changed. I have nobody to cite and I really see no reason why I should.

Merely your non-professional opinion...right?  Have you ever even worked professionally with any UI designers?  UI researchers?  Obviously, not.

And
finely, you can use the time spend by others to start from something
almost ready to adapt it easily to your own needs.

>
That's an argument to go with whoever has the larger marketshare, as
they've had the greatest amount of user UI feedback to optimize from.

 No.

Because your sample size of n=1 is more profound than n=millions that the professionals work with.  "Check!"  /s

When I want a theme, I can find a few even with a limited market
share.  I don't find the exact one that I want, but I can find easily a
close enough one. When I want a way to do something, I can find someone
who needed it before me or something close. Without need of market
share.

Except you're failing to show how your choice provides for an objectively more productive UI.  It is clear that you don't know if you're becoming more productive or less based on your UI choice.

There's a lot of
configuration files and ideas to help you improve your configuration
effortlessly.

>
Still isn't a zero amount of time ... which adds up the more you tweak.

 Yes, but the amount of time added is less than the time I would loose by
using a default done by a bad UI designer.

Not so, because you've not quantified what the productivity hit was this allegedly "bad UI":  you merely claiming something doesn't make it true.

 

So yes, I value my time and my confort. And you didn't gave me anything
to mow because your way would make me lost a lot of time and comfort.

>
Precisely the reason to trust professionals to be closer to offering a
more optimal UI.

 Nope. I know tools designed by professionals. They are not mean to be
efficient but to be beautiful and use by someone who don't want to learn.

Utterly unsubstantiated claim.

When I do something it's useful for a really long time. For example,
When I started to learn about tilling Windows Managers, it was with
wmii. Then I was able to use a lot of its configuration to switch to
i3wm. And then, it was the same with swaywm. So with the lot of
similarities between the WM, I used the same shortcuts and I didn't need
to learn anything new. For a very few time invested during the years.
Unlike Windows, which changed everything with each upgrade and I needed
a few months to find my way out each time.

>
Which for users who don't need to know how to program tiling, but just
use the UI, this is relevant...how?

 That's exactly my point. Thanks a lot for your support. You really
dismissed my points because you consider they are irrelevant when you
don't understand them.
 I'll rephrase it.
You say: "If you value your time, do my way."

Nope.  I'm saying that the UI professionals know what they're doing, and that there's productivity value gained through UI standardization.

I say: "I value my time and your way will slow me and make me lose my
time."

That does appear to be what you're saying, but it was done without you offering objective proof that "your way" actually is more productive, either for you or for anyone else.

You say: "Your arguments are irrelevant for people who don't like your
way."

Incorrect.  In addition to noting (above) that you've not come close to substantiating your claim, I'm saying here that the UI developers are optimizing for their majority use case.  Plus those users do not need to get down into the weeds of UI is driven by wmii, i3wm, or swaywm. Indeed, the very fact that you called out those protocols is an illustration of how far you're off of consideration of the mainstream use case.  Finally, I've noted that there is positive value in productivity in there being UI standardization.

And that's where your arguments are garbage. I don't care about the way
the others are using their computers. I care about the way I'm using
mine.

Its perfectly fine for you to optimize "for you".  The problem that you have is, as already noted above, you have no objective substantiation that you're actually optimizing it even for just yourself.

 So, when you say: "Do my way because others don't like your way, it's
better for you.", it's just shit.
 

Nope. You are totally free to be stupid and refuse to apply the Best Practices as applied by pro's who are paid to do this sort of work.
Where the line is drawn is when you recommend to others that they should be just as obstinately stupid as you are oh so proudly being.
-hh