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On 2024-05-27, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:I'm not judging him for his act; I'm simply pointing out that it was a bad one considering what the consequences are. What I am most interested in discovering is what his illness was, and whether it was something brought on by a certain "safe and effective" product.On 2024-05-26 3:17 p.m., vallor wrote:But Catholicism also teaches us not to judge whether someone is damned orOn Sun, 26 May 2024 12:11:14 -0400, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote>
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>On 2024-05-26 11:54 a.m., DFS wrote:>On 5/25/2024 5:57 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:>That's how you know it works.>
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"Grayson Murray's parents confirm he 'took his own life'"
Then I wonder what the illness was. It's a sad thing to see such a young
man condemn himself to Hell through suicide.
Damnation doctrine is spiritual terrorism.
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You should consider why you would think such a hateful thing,
and if you're honest with yourself, be ashamed.
Catholic teaching is clear about the consequences of suicide or
euthanasia. I also don't believe that the people who advocate for
abortion and simultaneously think that euthanasia or suicide is neat
have any kind of grasp on morality.
not — that's up to God. For a sin to be mortal it requires that it be a
grave matter (check), with full knowledge and deliberate consent. Grayson
Murray was a Christian, but I don't know if he was Catholic (and even if he
was Catholic, Vatican II Catholicism does a terrible job of teaching the
doctrines of the Faith now). It's questionable whether he had full knowledge
and deliberately consented to what he might not have known was a mortal sin.
And, if he suffered mental health issues, it's questionable whether he was
even able to give deliberate consent with full knowledge. If you have mental
health issues you're probably not going to be able to think clearly about
the consequences of your actions.
I would definitely pray for his soul. God is not a legalistic Pharisee.
As for the "damnation doctrine" being "spiritual terrorism," it's actually
not. It's how people become cognizant to the fact that there are
consequences for their evil actions. Without justice there can be no mercy.
And mercy is not hard to obtain. It does require humility, however. The
cardinal sin of Satan was pride.
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