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Sujet : Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security
De : tnp (at) *nospam* invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
Groupes : comp.os.linux.advocacy comp.os.linux.misc
Date : 27. Oct 2024, 11:13:15
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On 26/10/2024 19:01, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2024-10-26, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
 
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 02:37:52 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 01:08:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
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Welcome to the problems of metaphysics
>
Next stop: that wonderful fallacy known as “you can’t prove a negative”
...
>
About the time Heidegger asked 'Why are there beings at all rather than
nothing?' in 'Introduction to Metaphysics' my head started to hurt. That
was sentence 1, chapter 1. It didn't get better from there on.
 This contrasts with your typical math text book, which starts out with
a few pages of trivial statements before making the jump to the edge
of the universe, cued by that magical phrase "It is obvious that..."
 
My nephew is a Native German speaker with a native German father and stepfather. He studied philosophy at an English university.
I asked him whether he read Kant in  the original German. He said no, he found the English translations *easier to understand*.
There is an apocryphal saying that "All the problems of French philosophy would have been solved if they had written them down in German"
Heidegger is unmitigated shit really. I gave up after a chapter or two. Wittgenstein says that the mark of a true philosopher is that he will have thrown a book written by a famous philsopher into the corner, unfinished, more than once
'Why are there beings at all rather than nothing?' is simply answered:
'Because if there weren't no one could ask such an unanswerable question'. Even asking 'why' in the context of the universe is a massively anthropocentric statement. 'Why' applies to human beings, not the world .  Taoists say it better.
"The Tao is that which exists through itself" (Tao being the sort of essence of being-ness).
Or Wittgenstein "The world is everything that is the case"
Right on chum, I would never have guessed.
Nietzsche is more tongue in cheek and amusing:
“Everything about woman is a riddle, and everything about woman has one solution: it is called pregnancy. "
But philosophers like Hume, Kant and so on have extreme implication for philosophy of science, as they show conclusively that no theory as such can ever be proven to be true.
This shocking fact moves science from a repository of true facts, to a collection of explanations whose sole justifications are they they are mutually consistent and seem to work.
This is important to understand when you are at the bleeding edge of physics.
--
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

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21 Oct 24 * Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security115Lester Thorpe
22 Oct 24 +- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1John McCue
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23 Oct 24 i+* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security105Richard Kettlewell
24 Oct 24 ii+* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security101Lawrence D'Oliveiro
24 Oct 24 iii`* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security100Richard Kettlewell
24 Oct 24 iii `* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security99Lawrence D'Oliveiro
25 Oct 24 iii  +* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security96candycanearter07
25 Oct 24 iii  i+- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1rbowman
25 Oct 24 iii  i`* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security94Lawrence D'Oliveiro
25 Oct 24 iii  i `* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security93John Ames
26 Oct 24 iii  i  +* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security20Lawrence D'Oliveiro
28 Oct 24 iii  i  i`* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security19candycanearter07
28 Oct 24 iii  i  i +* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security8The Natural Philosopher
28 Oct 24 iii  i  i i+* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security5candycanearter07
28 Oct 24 iii  i  i ii+* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security2Chris Ahlstrom
28 Oct 24 iii  i  i iii`- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1candycanearter07
28 Oct 24 iii  i  i ii`* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security2The Natural Philosopher
29 Oct 24 iii  i  i ii `- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
28 Oct 24 iii  i  i i+- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1D
28 Oct 24 iii  i  i i`- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
28 Oct 24 iii  i  i +- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1D
29 Oct 24 iii  i  i `* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security9rbowman
29 Oct 24 iii  i  i  `* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security8Lawrence D'Oliveiro
29 Oct 24 iii  i  i   +* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security2rbowman
4 Nov 24 iii  i  i   i`- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1Physfitfreak
29 Oct 24 iii  i  i   +- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
29 Oct 24 iii  i  i   +- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1rbowman
29 Oct 24 iii  i  i   `* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security3The Natural Philosopher
29 Oct 24 iii  i  i    +- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1Pancho
29 Oct 24 iii  i  i    `- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Oct 24 iii  i  `* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security72The Natural Philosopher
26 Oct 24 iii  i   `* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security71Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Oct 24 iii  i    +* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security2vallor
26 Oct 24 iii  i    i`- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1Chris Ahlstrom
26 Oct 24 iii  i    `* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security68rbowman
26 Oct 24 iii  i     +* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security6Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Oct 24 iii  i     i`* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security5186282@ud0s4.net
26 Oct 24 iii  i     i `* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security4The Natural Philosopher
26 Oct 24 iii  i     i  +* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security2D
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i  i`- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1186282@ud0s4.net
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i  `- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1186282@ud0s4.net
26 Oct 24 iii  i     +* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security5vallor
26 Oct 24 iii  i     i+* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security2rbowman
26 Oct 24 iii  i     ii`- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1Chris Ahlstrom
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i`* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i `- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1rbowman
27 Oct 24 iii  i     +- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Oct 24 iii  i     +- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1rbowman
27 Oct 24 iii  i     +* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .27Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i`* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .26186282@ud0s4.net
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i +- Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .1D
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i `* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .24The Natural Philosopher
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27 Oct 24 iii  i     i  ii+- Re: Who you are, where you are, when you are.1The Natural Philosopher
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i  ii`- Re: We're in the middle, always.1rbowman
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i  i+* Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy).2rbowman
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i  ii`- Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy).1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i  i`- Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy).1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i  `* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .16D
28 Oct 24 iii  i     i   +* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .10186282@ud0s4.net
28 Oct 24 iii  i     i   i+- Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .1The Natural Philosopher
28 Oct 24 iii  i     i   i`* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .8D
28 Oct 24 iii  i     i   i `* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .7186282@ud0s4.net
28 Oct 24 iii  i     i   i  +- Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .1The Natural Philosopher
29 Oct 24 iii  i     i   i  +- Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .1rbowman
29 Oct 24 iii  i     i   i  `* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .4D
29 Oct 24 iii  i     i   i   `* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .3rbowman
29 Oct 24 iii  i     i   i    `* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
30 Oct 24 iii  i     i   i     `- Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .1rbowman
28 Oct 24 iii  i     i   `* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .5The Natural Philosopher
28 Oct 24 iii  i     i    `* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .4D
28 Oct 24 iii  i     i     `* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .3The Natural Philosopher
28 Oct 24 iii  i     i      +- Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .1D
28 Oct 24 iii  i     i      `- Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Oct 24 iii  i     +* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security6The Natural Philosopher
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i+- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i`* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security4D
28 Oct 24 iii  i     i `* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security3The Natural Philosopher
28 Oct 24 iii  i     i  +- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1D
28 Oct 24 iii  i     i  `- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Oct 24 iii  i     +* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .13The Natural Philosopher
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i+* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .11rbowman
28 Oct 24 iii  i     ii`* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .10186282@ud0s4.net
28 Oct 24 iii  i     ii +* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .3The Natural Philosopher
29 Oct 24 iii  i     ii i`* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .2186282@ud0s4.net
29 Oct 24 iii  i     ii i `- Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .1The Natural Philosopher
28 Oct 24 iii  i     ii `* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .6DFS
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28 Oct 24 iii  i     ii   +* Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .3DFS
28 Oct 24 iii  i     ii   i+- Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .1Joel
29 Oct 24 iii  i     ii   i`- Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
29 Oct 24 iii  i     ii   `- Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Oct 24 iii  i     i`- Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Oct 24 iii  i     +- Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .1The Natural Philosopher
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28 Oct 24 iii  i      +- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1DFS
28 Oct 24 iii  i      +- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1The Natural Philosopher
28 Oct 24 iii  i      +- Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security1Joel
28 Oct 24 iii  i      `* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Oct 24 iii  `* Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security2Richard Kettlewell
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