Re: Even the Mac Studio is a slug

On 12/16/24 11:52 AM, vallor wrote:

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 11:40:49 -0500, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
wrote in <vjpl6h$16vl2$1@dont-email.me>:
 

On 12/16/24 10:25 AM, Joel wrote:

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
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Likewise, we've also seen how a Mac mini stops the living shit out
of your i5 DIY, while costing less than the $1150 you've spent to
date. So just where is this so-called 'fortune' that people
allegedly pay?

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The Mac mini is OK, I wouldn't say it "stops the living shit out of"
my machine.  It runs Apple's goofy OS, in any event.

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*stomp   Apologies for a typo.
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We've already seen the CPU benchmarks and disk I/O.  If not "stomp",
then how do you want to describe being higher at a lower price?
Especially since there's no OS monopoly anymore either:
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<https://asahilinux.org/about/>

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A Mac mini purchased when I built my machine wouldn't be any faster
than what I have.

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The 2020 mini model would have been cheaper.
The current mini model is faster & cheaper.
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If I had spent a comparable amount on a comparable OEM PC, it'd not
be nearly as good.  That's undeniable.

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Except of course for how its already been shown that you could have
bought your so-called "overpriced" Apple gear for less & gotten
more...
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...and your retort is that the OEM OS is "goofy", even though Linux is
an alternative.

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I see Linux as the default OS, actually, it's M$ and Apple that are
proprietary, commercial platforms, consumerism, not real computing
enthusiasm.

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Yet that didn't stop you from buying & running on Windows OS for the
first ~2/3rds of the life of your current PC.

 People's needs change, as well as their education.

Sure in broad generalities ... but Joel's already countered that defense by noting that he'll never fill even but 1TB.

Both Mac Mini's I've owned have been underpowered slugs.

YMMV; I've found the base spec 2020 mini (M1) to have been quite adequate for day to day workflow activities.  I'd not expect it to be a performance workhorse.

Even
the Mac Studio can be sluggish, when it really shouldn't be, especially
considering the pretty penny we paid for it.

IIRC, you were working with some sort of IT task that wasn't video or otherwise in its wheelhouse.  I have no complaints, although I'll admit that I've not been pushing it to its fullest yet.  Its nevertheless still quite a bit more snappy than my prior Mac Pro tower.

_[/Users/scott]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
$ cat try.c
#include <stdio.h>
#include <limits.h>
 int main (void)
{
 printf("%d\n",NGROUPS_MAX);
 return 0;
}
  _[/Users/scott]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
$ rm try
_[/Users/scott]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
$ time -p make try
cc     try.c   -o try
real 4.27
user 0.08
sys 0.16
   _ _ _ _ _ _ _
 This is supposed to be halfway to being a Mac Pro workstation,
but it's sluggish.
   ...and no, I'm not cross-posting this all over hell and
back.  ng's snecked.

Fine by me.  I've had some wonks with Thunderbird not being polite in trimming followup groups.
-hh