Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control

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Sujet : Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control
De : vallor (at) *nospam* cultnix.org (vallor)
Groupes : misc.phone.mobile.iphone comp.os.linux.advocacy comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Date : 23. Mar 2025, 04:15:14
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:17:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
<vrnqva$18oag$4@dont-email.me>:

On 2025-03-22 14:52, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
 
[A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in
support of needed apps and use].
What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete?
>
Keeping everything I run loaded at once.
>
What do you run, and what resources does each use?
 
 
Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar:  https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png
 
 
So nothing a Mac Mini with a base configuration couldn't easily handle.

I've owned two Mac Minis -- it's notebook hardware that runs slow as
molasses.

We have a Mac Studio now, which was _way_ overpriced for what we got.
Probably the most intensive application I've tried on it is Fooocus
(which uses pyTorch), and I'd roughly estimate it is 1/4 the speed
of my Linux workstation.

(You might blame pyTorch for that, as perhaps it doesn't use
the GPU/NPU -- but I blame Apple for not ensuring
that such things are integrated immediately.)

It does have acceptable performance for everything Mrs. vallor uses
it for, but that's not much.  Nevertheless, it's better than we
saw with either of the Mac minis.  (The first Mac mini we owned
had a 5400RPM spinner for its main drive!  Ugh.)

TL;DR: The Mac Studio is a certified UNIX(r) workstation -- and has
the price tag to prove it.  But it doesn't chooch very well.

(note addition of csma)

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