Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome

On 2025-04-27, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2025-04-26, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2025-04-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Borax Man wrote:
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What I was referring to problem, isn't limited to software.  It seems to
be a Millenial trait in general, or of younger people.  That is, they
want to work on what they want to work on, rather than what needs to be
done.  People seeing their work as an opportunity to do what they think
is best, rather than what *other* people need.  They think that "work"
is just a way they can actualise themselves.  Companies bend towards
this, catering to their needs, rather than the companies, or the
customers needs.  We, the users, need our software to work.  If you want
to work on it, your role is to stop our stuff breaking.

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I don't know why you think that people can "do what they want" in
defiance of market forces.  The same with companies "bending" away
from their needs or their customers' needs.
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If they don't do the right things, they will be beaten in the market
by someone who is.
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Not necessarily.  This idea that "market forces" just fixes things runs
contrary to observed experience.  Many companies still turn a profit
DESPITE massive ineffeciecies and avoidable errors.  This is an
ideological position, not one based on observation of the real world.
Also, the "market" often moves according to external forces, or it
doesn't due t intertia, or network effects.  ie, you use product X, not
becaues its good, but because you need to interact with others also
using product X.  Product X can turn to crap, but you can't leave,
because that is where everyone still is.

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A prime example, Windows.
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Yes.  Being the default, and the "network effect" has a big impact.
I've been "forced" to create accounts with service I don't want to use,
because of lack of practical choice.  Buy a phone, and you're going to
end up either creating a Google or Apple account.  I went far without a
Google account, but then needed one to use a bonus I got from work.  The
"market" can't do squat here.